IMMIGRATION thread

[AE Bravo]

Here, all the things you said wrong:

The intervention secured the defeat of the dictatorship. If the dictatorship had survived, any restored stability would be at the expense (per usual) of innocent people tortured and murdered by security services casting a wide net.

This comes off as you saying that the regime putting down the rebels is a bad outcome for Libya, and more innocent lives would be at stake.

One would have to ask how much of a difference these weapons made, anyway, considering that the rebels got control over military bases right from the start and could loot equiptment from these; including heavy artillery and tanks.

Weapons and air support as well as NATO countries (with French taking the lead) formally recognizing the rebels as the representatives of Libya gained them the advantage over the regime.

Imagine if Gaddafi's offensive failed to regain all territory

No reason to imagine since he had one last city to take over and the rebels lost with minimal civilian casualties on the regime's part. No evidence of indiscriminate killing under Qaddafi's regime.

perhaps with support from foreign jihadists and/or islamists Or, yeah, maybe even with some sophisticated weaponry received from Gulf states. In many scenarios, the war would go on; even with zero Western military intervention.

Gulf states would not have had the political authority to intervene without a greenlight from NATO countries. Recognition of rebels from the west and NATO's political objective to OVERTHROW QADDAFI made Qatar confident about funding Islamists and fulfilling this mission by any means.

The NATO operation ended shortly after Gaddafi was killed, and its primary aim was to remove Gaddafi from power

The objective in and of itself was a failure. Responsibility to protect, political imprudence, and no long-term commitment to maintain national security after outright regime change makes it a model for failure.

Yet they united against Gaddafi.

False.

So...

Though as can bee seen in other sources, regime forces had attacked Zawiya much earlier than 7 March; like on 4 March when they even claimed to have retaken it:

IIRC, the bbc is the only news agency in the world that apologized for its dishonest coverage of Libya. Even in spite of this I wouldn't take bbc's info over Kuperman's analysis.

In other words, Zawiyah took several days to recapture.

Ras Lanuf and Brega were previously captured by the rebels:

Aljazeera is owned by Qatar, the second main culprit in Libya's disaster.

So the regime lost Ajdabiya, Brega and Ras Lanuf quickly - and the rebels lost them quickly, too. There was symmetry.

Right up until Qaddafi won and weapons were put down. The intervention began shortly after to interrupt the restoration of order across the country. Rebels were on their way to Egypt until military intervention was announced.

A trivially false dichotomy.

It's as simple as it gets and it's true.