Pirate Ship Mafia III [Concluded]

[Visor]

I just had a eureka moment while in the shower - and not the kind you're thinking of.

The Frenchman CANNOT have been in the vig groups.

A maven agent HAD to have been.

[Zack]

I just had a eureka moment while in the shower - and not the kind you're thinking of.

The Frenchman CANNOT have been in the vig groups.

A maven agent HAD to have been.

Explain?

[Visor]

The maven agents can't roleblock according to the OP - IIRC so the Frechman has to have been outside of those because the vigs didn't lose an arbitrary members.

[Visor]

Csargo, Ituralde, and Montmorency.

All unaccounted for Night 1. ATPG was town and Gaius is dead.

Gaius could be the frenchman of course but eh.

[Visor]

Oh and perhaps Andres as well.

[Zack]

The maven agents can't roleblock according to the OP

All I can find is

Frenchman Agent (2)
Capable sailors hired from the Maven, the Frenchman Agents were assigned a clear duty by their Captain: Help the Frenchman gain the Presence back by whatever means necessary. They are all too happy to fulfill this task and get a huge share of the loot (plus a hefty reward from the Frenchman). Their powers include but are not limited to killing (obviously), working to see if any sailors aboard can be converted, and being able to work with loyal sailors in order to increase subversion.

bold mine

[Visor]

Yeah I saw that and it throws a wrench sort of in our plans - but thats a lot of power for a hired agent.

We know nothin about the frenchman and it would not be unreasonable to suggest he has a roleblock no?

If we eliminate these people: Csargo, Ituralde, Montmorency, Andres - the game should end. I THINK.

[Visor]

The converter group is now limited to: Andres, Ituralde
The roleblock group is limited to: Csargo, Ituralde, Montmorency, Andres
The BSmith 'block' is limited to Andres.

Of alive players - if we have a french flip meantime this doesn't matter perhaps.

BUT if the frenchman is the roleblocker (which I believe, the henchman do the scanning, he does the killing, roleblocking) I THINK we have the game solved.

[Zack]

Why is GoldenKnight absent from that list? He was also unaccounted for n1 and "forgot" orders on at least one occasion

[Visor]

Why is GoldenKnight absent from that list? He was also unaccounted for n1 and "forgot" orders on at least one occasion

Misread the spreadsheet, my bad.

[Visor]

The converter group is now limited to: Andres, Ituralde
The roleblock group is limited to: Csargo, Ituralde, Montmorency, Andres, GoldenKnight
The BSmith 'block' is limited to Andres.

Of alive players - if we have a french flip meantime this doesn't matter perhaps.

BUT if the frenchman is the roleblocker (which I believe, the henchman do the scanning, he does the killing, roleblocking) I THINK we have the game solved.

[Visor]

What do you think Zack?

I think its highly likely the frenchman himself has a roleblock. After all - he is supposed to be quite powerful.

[Zack]

Did Monty not confirm Andres' steal? Why is he in the converter group? or are you not taking monty's word because he's a potential suspect

[Zack]

Unelect, Elect: BSmith1068

Let's make someone captain who is not suspected of being the frenchman, even if monty was offering me 10 gold and a potential future spot as an officer

[Visor]

Did Monty not confirm Andres' steal? Why is he in the converter group? or are you not taking monty's word because he's a potential suspect

It's a 'steal'.

I'm not taking his word necessarily because it isn't confirmed.

In the world where we take it as confirmed.

The converter group is now limited to: Ituralde
The roleblock group is limited to: Csargo, Ituralde, Montmorency, Andres, goldenknight
The BSmith 'block' is limited to Andres.

Of alive players - if we have a french flip meantime this doesn't matter perhaps.

[Visor]

No, we can elect montmorency for now - he is defintiely not suspect numero uno.

And I don't think we can swing the votes at this stage.

[Zack]

Assuming Ishmael was french, wouldn't he be the converter? Not Ituralde.

[Zack]

No, we can elect montmorency for now - he is defintiely not suspect numero uno.

And I don't think we can swing the votes at this stage.

Not a suspect at all is better than mild suspect

worth a try

[Visor]

@BSmith

can you confirm you were blocked?

[Visor]

Assuming Ishmael was french, wouldn't he be the converter? Not Ituralde.

Yes - but thats assuming hes french, with the delayed reveals its a pain so I'm suggesting we clear the group out. That way 100% they're hgone.

Not a suspect at all is better than mild suspect

worth a try

True, I wish I thought of this earlier rather than in the shower

[Montmorency]

The Frenchman can convert. We've seen it. If the French team has a block, it's presumably given to the Frenchman. The Maven officers can scan and kill. Can they convert? It's not clear.

But again, the Frenchman is the one who did the converting on N6: "refined accent". Would the Maven officers have a refined accent characteristic of noble upbringing just because they were on a Frenchman's team? I doubt it's pure flavor, otherwise why include it at all?

To take me as a suspect for not being in the N1 writeup, you would have to accept that I am accounted for N5, yet BSmith was blocked, and I was accounted for N6, yet the Frenchman converted a player.

I am not a suspect for Frenchman.

[Visor]

But again, the Frenchman is the one who did the converting on N6: "refined accent". Would the Maven officers have a refined accent characteristic of noble upbringing just because they were on a Frenchman's team? I doubt it's pure flavor, otherwise why include it at all?

oh crap you're right

lemme go reread it

[Zack]

The converter group is now limited to: Andres, Ituralde
The roleblock group is limited to: Csargo, Ituralde, Montmorency, Andres, GoldenKnight
The BSmith 'block' is limited to Andres.

Since Andres is the only person in all three groups, doesn't that make him the Frenchman?

[Visor]

Was the individual in question either of the two men who had been sitting at the aft of the ship and chatting idly for the past hour or so? No, they were undisturbed, thus allowing their conversation to go in a number of directions. They talked about the ship, their piratical careers, their lives, their loves, the homes they abandoned to go pirate, and the things that really mattered to them.

As the conversation went on, the subjects grew deeper. They two men got into the subjects that was truly important to them, and one started going on about what he fought for and why he was doing what he was. Peppered with an accent far more refined than the typical brogue usually associated with pirates, one that suggested nobility, and combined with the passion of his cause, the first man spun a worthy argument indeed. By the end of the conversation, the second man became convinced that he was joining a worthy cause indeed. No longer loyal to the crew of the Presence, he set about on his new mission.

Alright, so the frenchman definitely converted on night 6.

[Montmorency]

Difficult to see a scum bussing his own Godfather at the beginning of the game.

[Visor]

Unvote; Vote: Andres

Block and kill Ituralde tonight!

[Zack]

Unvote, Vote: Andres

[Zack]

Difficult to see a scum bussing his own Godfather at the beginning of the game.

NOW you don't want to vote Andres?

empirical > circumstantial

[Visor]

We need to check WHEN spaceman threw that vote on. If the tally was massively in favour of spare - then its an easy bus for him.

[Visor]

Spaceman did try to kill andres - but perhaps they knew he wouldn't die immediately at end of phase.