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    Default Re: Paris attacks: At least 120 dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    I enjoy the many cultures that London contains, and I wouldn't want to homogenise it. But there are some positions that are antithetical to the liberal world that I love. Islamism is one.
    Who will sort out the things which should stay in this unhomogenized London and which shouldn't? Who will draw the borderline between "this is alien but it's OK" and "it is so unBritish"? As I said: one has to pay some price for letting international cuisine in and hoping that all international intrusion will stop at that. Evidently dealing with the situation in the way you suggest will presuppose letting liberalism alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post

    My dear, if the Islamist attack France it is because France represents all what they hate. France embraces life when they embrace death, France values liberty, they value slavery, France values equality, they value discrimination, France values Fraternity, they value racism.
    France embraces science, secularism, they prefer superstition and obscurantism.
    To summary it, let give me the message from a caricaturist Joann SFAR:
    "Friends from the whole World, thanks you for your #pray for Paris, but we don't need more Religion! Our faith goes to music! Kisses! Life! Champagne! Joy! Paris is about life".

    They value death, so they attack life

    So much pathos! When I had expessed a similar one two years ago I was blamed as being too emotionally invested. Perhaps you suggest there should be another march which will show to the world that the French are... what will it show, by the way, and what has the CH one shown?

    Own up to it: France's immigartion policies that created the largest islamic community of Europe is what created a fruitful soil for islamists who planted the seeds they wanted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    They blew up a plane with 224 Russians and people asked "Will Putin become more barbarian now?"
    Confusing cause and consequence. FIRST Putin became barbarian by starting bombing Syria and THEN the plane was downed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha View Post
    My hat is off to the French. The thing is that while many people are hurting and afraid because of this senseless violence from few lunatics. France is not going to change. France is not going to turn into a police state and French people will not hover in the corner with a personal weapon for self protection. No they will not let the terrorist win and change into what the terrorist would like for them to become. They will not become victims, but live on. Hurting, with anger and sorrow, but without letting those sentiments control them.

    There is a price for freedom and that price is not to live in fear. No matter how much that may cost. Once people understand that, there is no stopping freedom. Without that understanding there never can be freedom. French know and cherish this because they have had their fair share of history of oppression and i am positive that they will never again allow such to happen, not because of pressure coming from outside or within.

    For the very same reason Europeans cant close their borders and shut their eyes for the events taking place at Middle East, as the reason for the masses of Asylum seekers are there and those are the very same lunatics that are behind the atrocities that are happening or already have happened at Iraq,Syria,Libya, Lebanon,Egypt and now France.
    I'm afraid, CH attack didn't teach the French (and Europeans in general) a lot. You can't live a liberal and carefree life being surrounded by barbarians. You can't live the way you did and hope such things as those in Paris to never happen (again). You gotta adopt some common sense and be more on your guard, as Israel is.

    The France that we know of from history is dead. What for may the fresh (and not so fresh) immigrants value Joan of Arc, for example? Or Charles de Gaulle? It is like an ordinary Frenchman can't feel anything special about Saladin who liberated the lands of Muslims from Europeans. No good will come of admixing one culture to another.

    Closing borders is the only sensible solution against the future trouble. Of course, it is not a guarantee, yet it is a step on this way. You may be as sorry for the refugees as you like, but solving problems of one person (or even a group of persons) at the expense of others will not make either happier: the first ones will cry for more and develop and deepen in the second the sense of guilt while the second will have to live with it and side by side with the newcomers as well.
    Last edited by Gilrandir; 11-15-2015 at 14:02.
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