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    Default Battle of the Books: Bible and Koran discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by PFH
    1. This does not make Jesus an enemy of the State
    You're confused because this isn't up for debate.

    1. An attack on the Jewish nobility is an attack on Rome given their tight relationship

    2. "Render unto Caesar" which you tried to dress up, and "The Land is mine" (Leviticus 25:23). “Forbidding the paying of tribute to Rome” (Luke 23:2) which he himself doesn’t deny

    3. He’s crucified alongside bandits. He was not a particularly unique individual of his time either given that hundreds of prophets and zealots came before and after him.

    4. His family rejected his teachings and his hometown people tried to kill him, no doubt for his perceived sedition and poorly received religious innovations.

    5. Apostles’ symbolic function as the twelve tribes of Israel and the “Kingdom of God” concept is a revolt against Rome/Caesar. Call to a revolution.
    2. During Jesus' lifetime the Christian movement was a movement within Judaism
    No doubt that Jesus was a Jew. He only knew one god and that is the one in the Torah. You don't have to explain this to me, explain it to yourself.
    Now, my understanding of the Islamic version is that Jesus does not die
    There is more than one version. Many Muslims don't believe in resurrection. The version I know is that he and Judas trade places.
    Last edited by AE Bravo; 11-20-2015 at 22:32.

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