Rise of The Snake Cult [Concluded]

[Al Sipsclar]

I better lose a game where scum is actively posting than win a game where everyone is sitting idle and waiting for someone to present a case. Just bite the bullet, arrange all who's alive by scumminess (however you define it for yourself) and vote your scummiest lean.

[El Barto]

I think I worded it carefully enough to avoid that. I said that I hope he has a good reason, and I'm asking for his opinion on potential lynch candidates that I could support instead.

Well, the ‘I hope there's a good reason…’ part sounded a bit like ‘Could you tell us?’ but maybe I'm being slightly paranoid.

Yeah no, I'm pretty much always going to self-preserve unless the circumstances are extreme. I value my role more than everyone else's because I'm 100% sure of it. Simple as that, not apologizing for how I play, not going to change it, and going to be really annoyed if that's why I get lynched.

As for alternate candidates, I'm still aboard the JHT train. JHT's vote on khaan tells me very little, and he's bussed people in the past. As for you, I disagree with a lot of your leans, particularly in terms of your correlating activity to townieness, but that's most likely you being unfamiliar with the baseline/a fundamental disagreement between us as opposed to scumminess.

Vote:johnhughthom

I agree. If I'm slight town because of the number of posts, someone should show Al the chart. ;)
And as for alternate candidates we also have auto, the opportune lurker.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I agree that the game is better without lurkers than it is with them, but I'm only going to focus on the lurkers when there are no other pressing leads to pursue. I let the matter drop when I thought someone had inadvertently revealed perfect information in terms of the poisoning/potential cure thing. Barto pointed out that it might not be the case, I did a quick reread of the posts in question, and saw his point. That was my main scumtell lead, so now I'm back to my standby from the last round. After JHT is Nightbringer, as his analysis post in #333 might be a result of him feeling the anti-lurker pressure this game has so far generated.

[El Barto]

And when/if jht is revealed as town?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm not really sure I see the point in that question - it's thinking ahead way too far. For all I know somebody's going to make a post in two hours that really jumps out to me as scummy and I'll move my vote on them.

[Al Sipsclar]

I agree. If I'm slight town because of the number of posts, someone should show Al the chart. ;)

I'll be fine with El Barto's lynch.
Also landlubber or Cuthillius.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Barto and lubber seem okay to me, though his last question in #364 was weird. I'll look over Cuth's posts again sometime before I go to sleep.

[El Barto]

I'm not really sure I see the point in that question - it's thinking ahead way too far. For all I know somebody's going to make a post in two hours that really jumps out to me as scummy and I'll move my vote on them.

Not that far if we lynch jht today. Lynch him and then Nightbringer… but wait, jht (let's suppose) is not mafia, then why lynch Nightbringer?

(I concede that jht might just have bussed 'khaan in order to look good and so on, but I doubt he'd bother to post so early in the day anyway.

I'll be fine with El Barto's lynch.

But I won't! I -that is to say, we- have already established that lynching me is not good.

Also landlubber or Cuthillius.

Why and why?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Not that far if we lynch jht today. Lynch him and then Nightbringer… but wait, jht (let's suppose) is not mafia, then why lynch Nightbringer?

...because my reasons for each of their scumminess have nothing to do with each other?

[Al Sipsclar]

I'm trying to break out of my activity based meta.

[El Barto]

...because my reasons for each of their scumminess have nothing to do with each other?

Well, you were mentioning Nightbringer as anothe rlurker and I drew the connection from thence. Better for me to continue tomorrow, this physical activity thing is bad for the brain.

I'm trying to break out of my activity based meta.

‘And the Lord said to Al Sipsclar: Thou shalt not metagame in vain, and so long as thou followest my command, thou shalt prosper and lynch У^e scum.’

[Raith Kemmler]

Why and why?

LL has tripped a few wires here and there for people. I'm null currently. I really like the analysis we're getting, but feels a bit like their trying to keep their head out of ring. That could be a conservative townie, or it could be a conciliatory mafia. I like the feedback enough though that I wouldn't vote that way yet. Analysts are prime assets and all.

Vote: Severing Viper. Where'd you go buddy?

[landlubber]

What worries you, Al Sips, about my vote on Zain?

[landlubber]

LL has tripped a few wires here and there for people. I'm null currently. I really like the analysis we're getting, but feels a bit like their trying to keep their head out of ring. That could be a conservative townie, or it could be a conciliatory mafia. I like the feedback enough though that I wouldn't vote that way yet. Analysts are prime assets and all.

I'm not trying to be conservative, not really. I'm not usually the kind of person who speculates openly in-thread, although I do realize that the limitations on private messaging mean that I ought to be more forthcoming than usual. For what it's worth, I've still got Al Sips as town. Nothing has really changed there. JHT could still be mafia, sure, but he's never easy to read. I'd lynch several people in this thread before him. I've got a vote on Zain because his flinches seem more severe than regular eagerness. He's quite worried about how his words are perceived, and I don't like that.

Also, I use he/him pronouns .

[Zain]

Okay, here goes.

Early in the game I considered SeveringViper simply by the irony in his name, but have since noticed he seems quite inactive. Leaving me with very little in the way of analysis or his posts.

So I weigh my options, and I feel that activity may be an easy cover-up for scum. I know in the past playing Mafia in person, when I was scum it was easy to fool everybody by obviously drawing attention to myself.

So, without knowing the players personally, I go with instinct and Vote: Al for now.


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[Al Sipsclar]

What worries you, Al Sips, about my vote on Zain?

I don't like your D1 and D2 votes, as well. I think I feel some townie cluelessness in Zain. Your vote on him feels like kicking a puppy. I also would like to give the "new" (or equivalent) guy a chance to play and make mistakes. I might be paranoid about you (and Cuth).

@Raith, please bold your votes!

[edse]

I don't "know" that there is a cure, but I'm quite sure about it. Only the doctor himself knows what he's doing.

[edse]

I found nothing wrong in Khaan's reasoning about Scarlett and didn't like the other candidates so that's why I voted for her. In hindsight it wasn't wise.

Does tonight's write-up indicate that Scarlett was an important role?

[SeveringViper]

Does tonight's write-up indicate that Scarlett was an important role?

I wouldn't say so, the flavor text does imply her death was in exchange for an important mafia role going down, but flavor is flavor, never wise to read into it unless the host says it might contain hints.

Also, hi, have a votecount:
GeneralHankerchief: edse, Jarema, Al Sipsclar
edse: autolycus
Zain: landlubber
johnhughthom: GeneralHankerchief
SeveringViper: Raith Kemmler (improper formatting)
Al Sipsclar: Zain

And a few questions:

I agree. If I'm slight town because of the number of posts, someone should show Al the chart. ;)

What does this mean? What chart?

Also landlubber or Cuthillius.

Why and why?

You never answered this, Al. Let me add that on your reads list not long before, you had Barto and Cuth among your slight town, for content and scumhunting, respectively, yet in the post quoted, you say you'll be fine with either being lynched? And what about your scum reads? You said this in reply to the post of Barto I quoted right before this, did that make him lose his town rank in your eyes? How/Why?

I'll look over Cuth's posts again sometime before I go to sleep.

Did you do this and did you see anything you'd missed?

I'm trying to break out of my activity based meta.

...? What does this mean? What prompted this?

LL has tripped a few wires here and there for people. I'm null currently. I really like the analysis we're getting, but feels a bit like their trying to keep their head out of ring. That could be a conservative townie, or it could be a conciliatory mafia. I like the feedback enough though that I wouldn't vote that way yet. Analysts are prime assets and all.

You were answering Barto's question in Al's place, why? And why do you specifically answer about landlubber, the one person in that list who Al didn't read town?

And GH, you stand as the top lynch candidate, what do you have to say about that? Anyone you think should stand in your place? I understand you're voting jht because you feel he just takes up a spot?

[johnhughthom]

Vote: GH

BAYS.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Did you do this and did you see anything you'd missed?

Not before sleep caught up to me. I did it a little while ago and nothing really jumped out at me. Cuth reads town, he's been prodding people and looking for holes.

And GH, you stand as the top lynch candidate, what do you have to say about that? Anyone you think should stand in your place? I understand you're voting jht because you feel he just takes up a spot?

I mean, most of the votes on me are a load of crap very poorly reasoned, but the problem is I think it's more likely that the mafia actually tries to fit in and contribute rather than just bold my name and bow out of the thread for the day. Except for JHT, he'd do that regardless.

[Cuthillius]

You know what? I think Vote:GeneralHankerchief might really be right here.

[Cuthillius]

Unvote: Jarema
Vote: johnhughthom

This is a large part of what stands out to me. This is before the khaan thing, and he just votes. I ask why, someone else gives me a reason, but his only reason, several posts later, is activity. And even then he doesn't respond directly to me. It just seems a little off.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It was in direct response to JHT's most recent post at the time, which I thought was inadequate and didn't need any further explanation.

[Raith Kemmler]

PSA: So I'm kind of sick and my activity will suffer. Will try to get better soon.

Also, I use he/him pronouns .

Gotcha, will do. Thanks for the info, new around here, so while I disparage the meta, my lack of knowledge of player habits will make me more paranoid since I'm evaluating play style in a vacuum.

You were answering Barto's question in Al's place, why? And why do you specifically answer about landlubber, the one person in that list who Al didn't read town?

Al hasn't bother answered initially, so I thought I'd add insight. The lack of info we have as newcomers is a strength and a weakness. I favor pushing more info out into the town consciousness then playing too close to the chest. LL looks mysterious to me, so I wanted some feedback. I get not wanting to let someone wiggle out of a question, but I'm nosey and will stick my head into things. If you get a gotcha moment, I promise to be restrained and only try to steal credit for it later.

[Winston Hughes]

Just got back from a sixteen-hour day at work (and have to be up for another one in seven hours), so my head's not exactly in the game right now, and the following may be gibberish...

GH could well be scum. He's not said much to convince me otherwise, and khaan's D1 vote switch doesn't look great for him. His point on jht is valid, but the same basic case could be brought against john in most games. The lynch of Beskar and the killing of Csargo would also make sense from a perspective of khaan and GH taking early moves to eliminate capable townies who know them best.

For all that, though, I've got this nagging feeling that it's all a bit too straightforward - that a scum team of GH and khaan doesn't get busted so easily as this. I've also got weighing on me the fact that I've previously damned a town GH by association with a scum khaan. Wish I had the brain-space to process this properly...

[GeneralHankerchief]

The lynch of Beskar and the killing of Csargo would also make sense from a perspective of khaan and GH taking early moves to eliminate capable townies who know them best.

I'm honestly a bit insulted that you'd think I would need to resort to those kinds of tactics to do well as scum, especially if khaan was my scumbuddy.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm honestly a bit insulted that you'd think I would need to resort to those kinds of tactics to do well as scum, especially if khaan was my scumbuddy.

As a conscious strategy? No, I don't imagine for a second you'd go that way.

But anyone playing as scum has a bias in favour of eliminating those who pose the biggest threat. In the moment, I can quite imagine you and khaan making those choices.

[Winston Hughes]

vote: SeveringViper

I'm happy enough with GH for the lynch, but SV is my top pick based on content.

[GeneralHankerchief]

But anyone playing as scum has a bias in favour of eliminating those who pose the biggest threat. In the moment, I can quite imagine you and khaan making those choices.

Unless your ego is overinflated enough to the point where you'd want to keep them alive for a while to string them along and beat the best.