IMMIGRATION thread

[Fisherking]

Andrew C. Mccarthy is a right wing nutjob. A self serving, book toting reactionary ball bag whose opinions I trust as much as Anjem Choudary's.

That is a matter of belief not supported by the data. Rather ad hominem attack which renders your argument invalid.

Use a bit of reason and logic for a change. Particularly if you try to cloak your self in maximums.

[Fisherking]

And now for something completely different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlSknRlQSqs

[Idaho]

You've linked to lots of videos of young men acting like a***h*les, but still not heard the name of an area that is "no go for non Muslims". Still waiting.

[Idaho]

I enjoyed being the lone voice against the afghan and Iraq invasions for reasons that are now obvious.

I enjoy being the lone voice against the current surge of ignorance and bubbling xenophobia.

[Fragony]

I don't enjoy being right really, but this was all predictable, and predicted

[Fisherking]

You've linked to lots of videos of young men acting like a***h*les, but still not heard the name of an area that is "no go for non Muslims". Still waiting.

No, I only linked to one video of a guy crossdressing to prove a point.

British Police seem to think there are no-go areas or areas where one need heightened awareness, so I suggest asking an officer on the street. Pretending they don’t exist will not make them go away.

I wouldn’t call it xenophobia. That is a fear of all foreigners. Most people I have run across are more specific than that. They are mistrustful of Muslim immigrants. It wasn’t the case until the immigrants themselves began to call for Sharia Law to override their national or local laws. Something they rather brought upon themselves.

Of course there is some reason for concern in that if you believe in any form of civil liberties. Oh, and the concepts of Jihad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

[Idaho]

Still no non-Muslim no go areas.

I want a postcode even. Somewhere that I can speak to people I know nearby. Our places I can review census records.

[Fisherking]

Still no non-Muslim no go areas.

I want a postcode even. Somewhere that I can speak to people I know nearby. Our places I can review census records.

So far as I can tell, it is the belief of police forces in several European Nations. It can neither be proven or disproven with available data. Police say there are and politicians say there aren’t. If you weigh the argument on likely truthfulness it leaves politicians at a distinct disadvantage.

If you are insistent on real firsthand research to prove or disprove it, as I said, contact a police officer in a likely area. Cities operating Sharia Courts might be a good starting place.

[Idaho]

So far as I can tell, it is the belief of police forces in several European Nations. It can neither be proven or disproven with available data. Police say there are and politicians say there aren’t. If you weigh the argument on likely truthfulness it leaves politicians at a distinct disadvantage.

If you are insistent on real firsthand research to prove or disprove it, as I said, contact a police officer in a likely area. Cities operating Sharia Courts might be a good starting place.

It's something reported second hand by media keen to inflame and dramatise. I'm sure they have no problem finding someone with rightist leanings in the British police force to oblige them.

Shariah "courts" are common enough in this country. But are usually just places for religious advice. Orthodox jews have similar.

[Pannonian]

That is a matter of belief not supported by the data. Rather ad hominem attack which renders your argument invalid.

Use a bit of reason and logic for a change. Particularly if you try to cloak your self in maximums.

Idaho enjoys ad hominems when it doesn't affect his capacity to preach on what's going in east London from his home in Exeter. It's especially biting when he preaches thus to someone who actually lives in east London, unlike him.

[Idaho]

Idaho enjoys ad hominems when it doesn't affect his capacity to preach on what's going in east London from his home in Exeter. It's especially biting when he preaches thus to someone who actually lives in east London, unlike him.

Oh go on then. I tried to resist, but you've baited me into it. I lived in East London (Hackney) for 7 years. I visit London about once a month. I know it pretty well.

[Beskar]

There are a few 'best avoid' areas I know of, but it has nothing to do with ethnic diversity or Muslims. They are generally cripplingly deprived areas where industry has collapsed, stricken with poverty, experience high-crime rates, high rates of physical and mental health issues, and lost of prospects. It is also home to a transient population who move around, usually coming in from big cities like Manchester.

Unfortunately, it is not that the people are 'bad' or 'evil', it is a sorry state where they try to survive and make something of their lives by trying to find meaning or desire to live by desperate measures such as psychoactive substances.

[Pannonian]

There are a few 'best avoid' areas I know of, but it has nothing to do with ethnic diversity or Muslims. They are generally cripplingly deprived areas where industry has collapsed, stricken with poverty, experience high-crime rates, high rates of physical and mental health issues, and lost of prospects. It is also home to a transient population who move around, usually coming in from big cities like Manchester.

Unfortunately, it is not that the people are 'bad' or 'evil', it is a sorry state where they try to survive and make something of their lives by trying to find meaning or desire to live by desperate measures such as psychoactive substances.

Social deprivation should be addressed. But we shouldn't ignore the more immediate problem of the known strategy of ISIS to exploit such conditions to plan and execute terrorist attacks. It's happened already, and there is every indication that they're planning more, and no indication that they're stopping. To say that it's the general fault of society is to foster inertia and do nothing, which is to maintain the environment that these enemies (and they're deserving of that description) rely on. Social deprivation is a threat to society, but to deny the specific threat of Islamists in these conditions is to allow them free rein in the immediate term, which is what they want and what we don't want.

[Idaho]

Social deprivation should be addressed. But we shouldn't ignore the more immediate problem of the known strategy of ISIS to exploit such conditions to plan and execute terrorist attacks. It's happened already, and there is every indication that they're planning more, and no indication that they're stopping. To say that it's the general fault of society is to foster inertia and do nothing, which is to maintain the environment that these enemies (and they're deserving of that description) rely on. Social deprivation is a threat to society, but to deny the specific threat of Islamists in these conditions is to allow them free rein in the immediate term, which is what they want and what we don't want.

The danger with your priorities is that you relegate social deprivation and attack those people that ISIS profile - the socially deprived. Further alienating them and strengthening the hand of extremist recruiters.

[Pannonian]

The danger with your priorities is that you relegate social deprivation and attack those people that ISIS profile - the socially deprived. Further alienating them and strengthening the hand of extremist recruiters.

Why do we need to allow ISIS a free rein whilst dealing with social deprivation? It's not like we can't afford to do both at the same time. In any case, we can deal with extremist recruiters by blocking the import of foreign clerics and blocking the return of madrassees. Homegrown Muslims who don't look abroad for illumination don't tend to be a problem, as they're just as British as anyone else. It's those who follow foreign clerics and those who decide to study in religious schools abroad (or worse) who cause problems.

[Fragony]

Yeah not being invited for your birthday is quit a kick in the nuts