IMMIGRATION thread

[Idaho]

Why do we need to allow ISIS a free rein whilst dealing with social deprivation? It's not like we can't afford to do both at the same time. In any case, we can deal with extremist recruiters by blocking the import of foreign clerics and blocking the return of madrassees. Homegrown Muslims who don't look abroad for illumination don't tend to be a problem, as they're just as British as anyone else. It's those who follow foreign clerics and those who decide to study in religious schools abroad (or worse) who cause problems.

Why do they look abroad? Why do they alienated from Europe society? Ask Frag and he'll tell you it's because Islam itself demands it. But that just doesn't stack up. Yes there are a lot of cultural issues going on - but that's only a small piece of the puzzle. Let's also look at employment rates, education outcomes, etc.

[Fragony]

I can go with that as long if islam isn't put out of the equation

[Pannonian]

Why do they look abroad? Why do they alienated from Europe society? Ask Frag and he'll tell you it's because Islam itself demands it. But that just doesn't stack up. Yes there are a lot of cultural issues going on - but that's only a small piece of the puzzle. Let's also look at employment rates, education outcomes, etc.

Then do it as a two pronged solution. We'll address the social deprivation issues, which Muslims supposedly disproportionately suffer from, that they have in common with other cultures. And in return, we demand loyalty to the British idea. If we address the social issues, and it's an ongoing thing, and they continue to look abroad for an identity, they've had their chance and blown it. And let's not forget, the state has already spent goodness knows how much in raising them to adulthood, in common with all other children in the country. They've already had a boon. If we take one more step for them, and it's still not enough to satisfy them, they're not worth the effort.

There are lots of people who suffer from wide gaps between a society built for the rich and the situation that they're in. But no other groups take such a militant stance as Islamists, who take out their ire on others who might legitimately have complaints. Why should they get a free pass, unlike every other group in the UK?