Official Org Star Wars Reaction Thread (Spoilers)

**Papewaio** · 12-31-2015, 06:50

Originally Posted by Noncommunist

On the other hand, he did seem to have some real internal conflict somewhat before his patricide. It seems they'd do something with it other than just make Han's redemption attempt seem more plausible.

One thing I liked about the prequels was the idea of Anakin bringing balance to the force adding more poignancy to his change of heart with Palpatine at the end of VI. Clearly, it seems he didn't bring an end to those using the dark side. However, I'm hoping that his existence ultimately has some role to play in bringing balance to the force through his posthumous legacy.

Apart from being emotionally stunted in their self enforced emotional and physical eunuch existence, Jedi are also mathematically inept.

Balance 1000 Jedi, 2 Sith

Answers
A) 501 of each
B) 1000 of each
C) two of each is Ben, Yoda the Emperor and Darth Vader

Incorrect answers 1000 Jedi and no Sith.

**Noncommunist** · 12-31-2015, 17:13

Originally Posted by Papewaio

Apart from being emotionally stunted in their self enforced emotional and physical eunuch existence, Jedi are also mathematically inept.

Balance 1000 Jedi, 2 Sith

Answers
A) 501 of each
B) 1000 of each
C) two of each is Ben, Yoda the Emperor and Darth Vader

Incorrect answers 1000 Jedi and no Sith.

I don't see why they would necessarily need to be physical eunuchs. The rule is against attachment so I suppose a Jedi could have a bunch of one night stands.

I think the Jedi view of bringing balance to the force was a removal of the dark side that corrupted or unbalanced it. So not so much of a balance between the light and dark side as some other concept of balance that involves only the light side.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 12-31-2015, 22:59

Originally Posted by Papewaio

Apart from being emotionally stunted in their self enforced emotional and physical eunuch existence, Jedi are also mathematically inept.

Balance 1000 Jedi, 2 Sith

Answers
A) 501 of each
B) 1000 of each
C) two of each is Ben, Yoda the Emperor and Darth Vader

Incorrect answers 1000 Jedi and no Sith.

This is wrong because of this:

Originally Posted by Noncommunist

I don't see why they would necessarily need to be physical eunuchs. The rule is against attachment so I suppose a Jedi could have a bunch of one night stands.

I think the Jedi view of bringing balance to the force was a removal of the dark side that corrupted or unbalanced it. So not so much of a balance between the light and dark side as some other concept of balance that involves only the light side.

The Jedi very clearly see the Dark Side as a corruption of the Force and if you sweep away the computer games and the paper RPG's and get down to what Lucas actually wrote in the films that makes sense.

The Force is neither good nor evil, Jedi are neither good nor evil.

If you actually look at what the Jedi do they're nothing like the character you play in KOTOR to get max lightside points. Yes, JEdi believe in things like Justice and reciprocity because those are forces for balance.

Contrast this with the Sith, who want power and always more of it, and always more direct control over others. What's more, the Sith do things like blow up planets which directly disturbs the natural flow of the force by destroying billions of lifeforms.

There's also no real evidence that the Jedi are emotionally stunted. The Jedi are monks, monks are celibate and do not form strong bonds outside their orders as a matter of course. Saying that the Jedi Code makes Jedi emotionally stunded is to say that all monks are emotionally stunted.

That would include real-life figures like the Dali Lama and the current Pope.

You're being silly, Pape.

**Montmorency** · 01-02-2016, 05:29

get down to what Lucas actually wrote in the films

If you actually look at what the Jedi do

I think you may have just come up with a melange of numerous different interpretations scattered across the Expanded Universe, cause it's sure as heck that none of what you said shows up in the Lucas films.

**Hooahguy** · 01-02-2016, 06:44

I finally saw the movie, loved it. My little brother did spoil that Han Solo dies but other than that I was very pleasently surprised at how good the movie was. The casting was great, as was the cinematography. Like the scene where Han Solo and Kylo Ren face off on the walkway, that scene was just fantastic. The whole Starkiller base thing felt a bit tired but I felt it didnt really take anything away from the movie as a whole. Overall great movie.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 01-03-2016, 09:21

Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

This is wrong because of this:

The Jedi very clearly see the Dark Side as a corruption of the Force and if you sweep away the computer games and the paper RPG's and get down to what Lucas actually wrote in the films that makes sense.

The Force is neither good nor evil, Jedi are neither good nor evil.

If you actually look at what the Jedi do they're nothing like the character you play in KOTOR to get max lightside points. Yes, JEdi believe in things like Justice and reciprocity because those are forces for balance.

Contrast this with the Sith, who want power and always more of it, and always more direct control over others. What's more, the Sith do things like blow up planets which directly disturbs the natural flow of the force by destroying billions of lifeforms.

There's also no real evidence that the Jedi are emotionally stunted. The Jedi are monks, monks are celibate and do not form strong bonds outside their orders as a matter of course. Saying that the Jedi Code makes Jedi emotionally stunded is to say that all monks are emotionally stunted.

That would include real-life figures like the Dali Lama and the current Pope.

You're being silly, Pape.

George Lucas thought out very little besides the idea that Jedi are the space equivalent of knights in shining armor.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 01-03-2016, 17:55

Originally Posted by Montmorency

I think you may have just come up with a melange of numerous different interpretations scattered across the Expanded Universe, cause it's sure as heck that none of what you said shows up in the Lucas films.

So Qui-Gon frees all the slaves, does he? Gets Jabba the Hutt locked up?

No, he doesn't.

It's very clear that we see as "Good and Evil" the Jedi see as "The Force and the Dark Side"

Go on, try to find the words "Light Side" in Lucas' films.

I'm certain you won't find a single quote, certainly not from a Jedi. The closest I can find is Luke asking "How will I know the Good side from the Bad?" in TESB, but Luke is an idiot for most of TESB.

Here:

https://youtu.be/infZSKB5L9I

Yoda only talks about a Dark Side of the Force, Luke then interprets that as a Light and Dark Side but Yoda never describes a "Light Side".

Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

George Lucas thought out very little besides the idea that Jedi are the space equivalent of knights in shining armor.

Sorry, but he really did think about it quite hard - the original Star Wars movies have this underpinning called the "Heroic Story", the who thing was envisaged quite clearly by Lucas. That's why the Prequals are so boring, with all that government.

Yeah, I know the a lot of the Prequals are really badly executed and a lot of it's boring to watch. Ever watched your actually Senate debate something? Not exciting, is it?

**Montmorency** · 01-03-2016, 21:48

You are incorrect in you resonse to ACIN; Lucas put a lot of time and "thought", into the films over the years, but a coherent narrative never emerged beyond the imagery and family themes that Luxas was obsessed with.

It's well-established that Qui-gon is an imbecile on par with Jar Jar, deranged fantasy conspiracies notwithstanding.

Also note: how can Palpatine show Luke a "Dark Side of the Force" without implying another "side" of the Force? At a minimum, it would mean that the Jedi uphold the so-called Grey Side and that there have indeed been some wacky Eremites doing who-knows-what - perhaps writing Star Wars novels?

What's really going on is that Lucas has a jejune intellect.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 01-04-2016, 16:39

Much anger I sense in you Montmorency. Disappointed by the Prequels you were. Clouded your judgement it has.

You accused me from drawing on the EU but the "Light Side" is a product of the EU, it isn't mentioned in any of Lucas' films. In Lucas' films there is the Force and the Dark Side of the Force.

Whether you think Lucas' cosmology is silly or Naive is beside the point. Obi Wan says it to Anakin in Episode III "You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them!"

So the Jedi prophecy of the Chosen One says he will destroy the Sith - and that's the last thing Vader does before he dies. There are only two Sith, Vader repents and then kills the Emperor.

From this it is clear that the Sith are the cause of the imbalance. The imbalance is not caused not the numerical difference between the "Godd" Jedi and the "Evil" Sith.

You're right, it's not deep on a philosophical level, I never said it was. The people who are literally trying the find the balance-point on a cosmic scale are the ones trying to make it deep, not me.

As I said, the Jedi are not "Good" as a polar opposite to "Evil", the Jedi are just servants of the Force who appear Good because they are in opposition to the Sith, who are Evil.