IMMIGRATION thread

[Montmorency]

An orgy of evidence - such as the Oxford student who was accused but against whom the case was dropped.

He now lives under a cloud.

It's like saying we're a "Murder Society" because people kill other people.

Rape is not permissible in the UK under any circumstances even if it might have been 50 years ago.

I can't tell what specific case you are referring to, so I can't say that you aren't falling into the exact foolish fallacy I pointed out a number of posts ago.

The one point you have is that the tautological formulations of "rape culture" do suffer from bordering on your formulation of "murder culture".

A rape accusation causes that overraction and bars the accused from later jobs, that's a social consequence that even you admit happen.

Not a rape accusation, but a public circus over a public accusation, usually before any charges are filed or considered. So, no.

counting it as it's own crime, so I'm not sure why its presented as proof of a rape culture.

I am trying to be generous to you, but do you really not understand that in legal terms and in statistical terms "sexual assault" and "rape" are indeed two distinct crimes that are treated differently, but that both fall under the broader category of sexual crime?

So you agree with me.

Let me be more straightforward: municipalities pay for rape kits and their testing. Don't be obtuse.

So I can have sex with a willing woman but if she has any amount of alcohol in her it's rape?

No - the legal standard is that, like juveniles and animals, an intoxicated individual is incompetent to give consent. When intoxication results for a given individual under given circumstances, or the wider philosophical questions surrounding the nature of law in light of philosophy of mind, do not change that this is the given legal standard that we rule by.

[Fragony]

I wouldn't call it a public accusation but just more information slipping in. If that information is true I simply can't know but it looks pretty bad so far for those who bagatilise/relativate what seems to have happened.

[Myth]

Cultural enrichment in France:

https://www.facebook.com/FREI.statt....1121288934347/

[Husar]

Cultural enrichment in France:

https://www.facebook.com/FREI.statt....1121288934347/

Can you explain how this is cultural enrichment?

[Fragony]

I most certainly couldn't

[Beskar]

Here is an answer provided by reddit.

Many times when someone is accused of being racist, they're accused of not having experience with the black community, and told that spending time there might be culturally enriching for them (as per actual definition).

These folks want to hold up the riots as evidence that supporters of the black community are the ones who don't understand it to try to turn that accusation around. In essence, they believe that they know more about the problems there than we do.
The reason that they're wrong is that they're judging day to day life by the standards of 5 minutes of cherry-picked violence that they falsely believe is representative of everyday life there.

Which is not unequivocal proof that there isn't a problem in black communities. There is. But solving those problems requires the 'cultural enrichment' and in depth knowledge that comes from getting to know the people who live there, and how and why those problems come about.

[Gilrandir]

Self-defense militia - the Cologne style?
http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschl...d_5196236.html

[Fisherking]

Here is an answer provided by reddit.

I do hope you are not trying to defend the actions of those perhaps half civilised creatures just because of their race!

Denying that racism classes colour and cultural lines on perpetuates it and exacerbates it.

[Beskar]

I do hope you are not trying to defend the actions of those perhaps half civilised creatures just because of their race!

My post doesn't defend anything.

[Greyblades]

Here is an answer provided by reddit.

Many times when someone is accused of being racist, they're accused of not having experience with the black community, and told that spending time there might be culturally enriching for them (as per actual definition).

It's official, the word Racist had lost all meaning.

[Myth]

I'm a backwards thinking "shady balkans subject". Here's my thought:

- Are you educated and willing to be a productive member of society? Welcome to Europe.
- Are you uneducated but willing to put effort into improving yourself and becoming a productive member of society at some point? Welcome to Europe.
- Are you uneducated and unwilling to change and instead demand that we accept you as you are and by proxy we must also accept your tribal and base culture that thrives on physical violence? Or your backwards religion that imposes strict rules that affect our lifestyle? Or are you unwilling to be a productive member of society and prefer to live on benefits and loiter about? Then you are not welcome in Europe.

All that other sugar coating is simply not necessary.

[Greyblades]

Not a rape accusation, but a public circus over a public accusation, usually before any charges are filed or considered. So, no.

Except you dont even need a media circus. As you said "Most employers overreact at any legal trouble on a low-level employee's part", even if it doesnt end up in the paper; if an employer gets wind of a rape allegation that employee is prone to being jettisoned just to make sure future developments cant damage the company.

I am trying to be generous to you, but do you really not understand that in legal terms and in statistical terms "sexual assault" and "rape" are indeed two distinct crimes that are treated differently, but that both fall under the broader category of sexual crime?

Except when it doesnt: "In some places, such as New South Wales, the crime of sexual assault has replaced the traditional crime of rape, and is being defined as non-consensual penetrative sex"
Some places also include Texas, a part of the USA, explaining my confusion over which definbition the FBI uses.

Not that any of this matters, if the FBI reports include rape the statistics Don Corleone used are too broad to be of use as I said earlier. If it doesnt include rape: it is fundamentally useless in determinining the existance of rape culture.

Let me be more straightforward: municipalities pay for rape kits and their testing. Don't be obtuse.

Go back and read the argument step by step; Don Corleone used the fact that rape kits needed to be bought until 2 years ago as proof of a rape culture, I challenged it by saying it's a problem of free market medicine, not rape culture.

Could you explain what your problem with that is? Four posts later I still have no goddamned idea, nor why you are still going on about it.

No - the legal standard is that, like juveniles and animals, an intoxicated individual is incompetent to give consent. When intoxication results for a given individual under given circumstances, or the wider philosophical questions surrounding the nature of law in light of philosophy of mind, do not change that this is the given legal standard that we rule by.

"No, it's not rape, except yes it is" Which is it?