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    Do people still not realize that "multiculturalism" is a political football used from the 1950's on to convince native Europeans that 'you don't need to worry about all those foreigners we're importing, we don't have to include them in our society, they'll just be here to work and make us rich and then they'll return whence they came'?

    It's much more a union of nativism and free market lobbying than any sort of leftist cosmopolitan impulse.
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    You never respond to me anyway so I will just say that you are wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Do people still not realize that "multiculturalism" is a political football used from the 1950's on to convince native Europeans that 'you don't need to worry about all those foreigners we're importing, we don't have to include them in our society, they'll just be here to work and make us rich and then they'll return whence they came'?

    It's much more a union of nativism and free market lobbying than any sort of leftist cosmopolitan impulse.
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    You never respond to me anyway so I will just say that you are wrong
    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    No, because one is a government policy and the other is a personal wardrobe choice.

    Multiculturalism is a fundamentally contradictory policy - on the one hand incomers are not required to integrate, on the other the host culture is expected to adapt to the immigrants.

    This breads resentment, which breeds Fascists.
    Considering this forum's standard of evidence and the nebulous-ness of the term are such that as far as we are concerned all of these statments may as well be simultaneously correct.
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    all of these statments may as well be simultaneously correct.
    Fragony's statement has nothing to do with the other two quoted. PVC's quote does not impinge on mine, and the reasoning in mine clearly acknowledges and expands on some of the reasoning in PVC's.

    I think most of your trouble comes from difficulty following along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    What you said has nothing to do with apposition as you have cited it. Moreover, what you said is invalid. Titles and honorifics (indeed, any noun phrase) denote something in themselves, and their usage is not predicated on the existence of similar-but-distinct phrases.
    They do have their own meaning, but being used appositively they perfrom the function(s) I mentioned. If you deny that Chancellor in Chancellor Merkel is an apposition, I'm afraid it is you who run contrary to long-established grammatical traditions. Well, it is your call.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post

    In the context of juveniles there's no reason to use "Ms" because you know they can't be married.
    Maybe we should dig deeper and remember that it was used referring to a 14 year old MUSLIM girl - and in that culture females of this age are eligible for marriage. With that in mind the journalists may have been quite aware and indeed intentional of the word they used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Fragony's statement has nothing to do with the other two quoted. PVC's quote does not impinge on mine, and the reasoning in mine clearly acknowledges and expands on some of the reasoning in PVC's.

    I think most of your trouble comes from difficulty following along.
    Yeah it has everything to do with not being able to keep up, but maybe your orghan is broken

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    If you deny that Chancellor in Chancellor Merkel is an apposition, I'm afraid it is you who run contrary to long-established grammatical traditions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    Apposition is a grammatical construction in which two elements, normally noun phrases, are placed side by side, with one element serving to identify the other in a different way. The two elements are said to be in apposition.
    How do you not notice that what you say is utterly inconsistent with the reference material?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    How do you not notice that what you say is utterly inconsistent with the reference material?
    I quoted the same source and you said that I was wrong in identifying apposition. If Chancellor in Chancellor Merkel welcomed the refugees is not an apposition, then do tell me what part of the sentence it is.
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    You know a conversatioon has gone stale when they start debating grammar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Fragony's statement has nothing to do with the other two quoted. PVC's quote does not impinge on mine, and the reasoning in mine clearly acknowledges and expands on some of the reasoning in PVC's.
    I mean that the word multicultural's meaning is so vague and subjective that your statment can be said to be simultaniously right and wrong.

    I think most of your trouble comes from difficulty following along.
    Hello kettle, I'm pot, have we met?

    I think your trouble is that you write like a university student attempting to gain extra credit through rarely used words and long-winded writing patterns. Combined with a habit of failing to connect your rebuttle with the post you are responding to and you have freqently become outright incomprehensable.
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