IMMIGRATION thread

[Sarmatian]

See the s who were born here, were raised here at state expense, who exploit our history of religious tolerance to push for Islamism. And see those uber-liberal idiots who argue that it's all our fault and none of theirs, because they're somehow discriminated against by society (even though their parents who weren't born here don't feel the same way that they do).

They are discriminated against for the most part, but that doesn't justify their behaviour.

I've faced discrimination when I was traveling around western Europe in the second half of the nineties. It was mostly benign and small scale but it was noticeable, and enough to make me uncomfortable. And I was only traveling around as a tourist, so I tried and for the most part succeeded in ignoring it, but maybe it wouldn't have been so easy if I was facing it everyday for a prolonged period of time.

So, those are two separate issues. A country shouldn't be blamed for failed individuals. It depends on the country, of course, but most western countries care about the people. That doesn't mean that countries shouldn't try ever harder to help integrate people into society.

[Pannonian]

They are discriminated against for the most part, but that doesn't justify their behaviour.

I've faced discrimination when I was traveling around western Europe in the second half of the nineties. It was mostly benign and small scale but it was noticeable, and enough to make me uncomfortable. And I was only traveling around as a tourist, so I tried and for the most part succeeded in ignoring it, but maybe it wouldn't have been so easy if I was facing it everyday for a prolonged period of time.

So, those are two separate issues. A country shouldn't be blamed for failed individuals. It depends on the country, of course, but most western countries care about the people. That doesn't mean that countries shouldn't try ever harder to help integrate people into society.

The problem makers are young and born here. As youngsters, they'll have faced discrimination for being young. This has happened in every society in history, and is why older societies make much of the coming of age when they can start becoming useful members of society. Within their age group, they'll have faced discrimination because, well, kids are arseholes who will pick on anyone and everyone. Other than that, unless they impose their differentness on other people, they would likely have faced no more than reasonable discrimination that is the hallmark of an individual-based society (oxymoronic though that term is). Their parents, who were more alien to the host culture, don't feel unreasonably discriminated against. Why are they, the second generation, complaining about that to the point of turning against their home country? And why should we feel any guilt about it? After all, we didn't fail their parents.