Almost everyone has internet nowadays, if you want to learn English you can, even if you are chained to the radiator. So why subsidise it. Still think 22% isn't a disaster.Originally Posted by Idaho
Re: Better 25 years late than never I suppose
Almost everyone has internet nowadays, if you want to learn English you can, even if you are chained to the radiator. So why subsidise it. Still think 22% isn't a disaster.
Re: Better 25 years late than never I suppose
That's a ridiculous comment. The kinds of people who can't speak english and live in the UK are the least likely to have internet access, technical know-how and the learning skills to self teach.
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
Re: Better 25 years late than never I suppose
Multiple generation that could have learned English had they wanted to before subsidies were cut off, if I find money on the street I pick it up. They don't apparently. They do of course but you probably know what I mean. Can't blame the Tories for making budget cuts on something useless. Demands are much higher (and often unreasoable) here in the Neds if you want to become a Dutch citizen when you are from abroad.
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Re: Better 25 years late than never I suppose
The two Eastern Europeans who helped move my furniture managed it. Assuming that others are not imbeciles and have access to the TV, or are able to find a library and the internet there I'm sure they'll cope.
This is of course assuming that they are so poor that paying for internet which starts at less than £5 a month is unthinkable.
Self teach??!? Schools and society teaches English - it takes effort to not learn a new language decade after decade, generation after generation. I've seen a video of a street urchin who can do a sales pitch in over 10 languages - as the incentive is you sell more to Russian tourists if you have the patter in Russian.
But there's always an excuse why people can't be expected to do anything for themselves.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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Re: Better 25 years late than never I suppose
It's not the same. It's easier to learn English if you already speak a Slavic language. It is even easier if you speak a Germanic language, and it is much harder to learn English if you speak Arabic.
It would take me much more time to learn Chinese then someone who already speaks Korean, for instance.
Re: Better 25 years late than never I suppose
It means they'll have to work harder at it. English is further removed from Chinese than from Arabic, but British people don't have much problems with Chinese migrants. Chinese speakers have to work harder at grasping the language than European language speakers, but the first step is adapting to the culture, and they have no problems with that.
Re: Better 25 years late than never I suppose
The hysteria in the media and on these boards is not to do with Eastern Europeans but moooslims and darkies.The two Eastern Europeans who helped move my furniture managed it. Assuming that others are not imbeciles and have access to the TV, or are able to find a library and the internet there I'm sure they'll cope.
This is of course assuming that they are so poor that paying for internet which starts at less than £5 a month is unthinkable.
Self teach??!? Schools and society teaches English - it takes effort to not learn a new language decade after decade, generation after generation. I've seen a video of a street urchin who can do a sales pitch in over 10 languages - as the incentive is you sell more to Russian tourists if you have the patter in Russian.
But there's always an excuse why people can't be expected to do anything for themselves.
So you are saying that we shouldn't implement any policies to improve integration because "they" are too lazy anyhow.
God you lot are depressing.
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
Re: Better 25 years late than never I suppose
No... I am saying that they are more than capable of integrating if they wanted to (and what a large percentage already do).
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
Re: Better 25 years late than never I suppose
The worst non-integrators were born here and grew up thoroughly integrated, until that moment when they decided to turn against the UK.No... I am saying that they are more than capable of integrating if they wanted to (and what a large percentage already do).
Re: Better 25 years late than never I suppose
I agree, but that it a different problem.
There used to be a relatively simple solution - they are traitors and traitors get hung.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
Re: Better 25 years late than never I suppose
Absurd. I demand Eastern Europeans be treated with the same amount of contempt.
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