UN rules in favour of Assange

[Beskar]

He should be tried. But after Snowden I wonder where the line of paranoia and sense is anymore.

Being honest, after Snowden, the movies make the security forces a lot more scary than reality.

[Snowhobbit]

Being honest, after Snowden, the movies make the security forces a lot more scary than reality.

Yeah, turns out they really are not that bad if you are already in the limelight of the media. Shocker :D

So she claims that immediately before the intercourse, during it and after it before falling asleep she didn't see whether he had put the rubber on/was wearing it/took it off? That's huge!!

I think you need to buy some new glasses buddy.
She was asleep at the time of ehm, insertion, and upon waking up she asked him if he was wearing a condom, to which he lied and siad he was. After "completion" she of course for natural causes quickly discovered that he had in fact lied to her, I can't recall if she threw him out then and there or not.

[Gilrandir]

I think you need to buy some new glasses buddy.
She was asleep at the time of ehm, insertion, and upon waking up she asked him if he was wearing a condom, to which he lied and siad he was. After "completion" she of course for natural causes quickly discovered that he had in fact lied to her, I can't recall if she threw him out then and there or not.

I'm afraid you hadn't made it clear it the post. Let me quote you:

At night he got a little itch and felt he had to satisfy it, the agreement with him and the woman was that they only have sex with a rubber on. He did not put a rubber on, and when she woke up he said he was wearing one.

I had presumed that an agreement between two people is reached when, ehm, both of them are awake and sentient.

[Snowhobbit]

I'm afraid you hadn't made it clear it the post. Let me quote you:


I had presumed that an agreement between two people is reached when, ehm, both of them are awake and sentient.

And instead of asking for clarification you jump to the most extreme conclusion you could imagine? I can see why Ukraine is in the state it is in...

An agreement had been reached prior to the night in question, when they had previously had consensual sex. People can agree to things and time can pass after said agreement was initially made.

[rory_20_uk]

So... if a woman states she is taking the Pill and is in fact lying and gets pregnant she is in breach of agreement and should be prosecuted rather than demanding child support from the father?

[Snowhobbit]

So... if a woman states she is taking the Pill and is in fact lying and gets pregnant she is in breach of agreement and should be prosecuted rather than demanding child support from the father?

Well, if that is what the law said, and disregarding that child support is for the child rather than the mother, sure. Though you might get a case of Pactum Turpe at which point the courts would not touch it. Do you prosecute people for breach of contract in the UK? Or maybe rape is legalized?

[rory_20_uk]

Well, if that is what the law said, and disregarding that child support is for the child rather than the mother, sure. Though you might get a case of Pactum Turpe at which point the courts would not touch it. Do you prosecute people for breach of contract in the UK? Or maybe rape is legalized?

Given that a woman can not rape a man given the definition or rape, that would not come up.

Oh yes, of course the money is for the child... but that misses the whole point: in this situation the man is closer to a sperm doner who did not consent and there is no contract in place so as such the mother should take responsibility for her actions given in the example the agreement was for sex not procreation.

[Gilrandir]

And instead of asking for clarification you jump to the most extreme conclusion you could imagine? I can see why Ukraine is in the state it is in...

Individual peculiarities and attitudes can't be symptomatic of the state of the whole country (unless those are peculiarities and attitudes of the country's leader). Generalizing like you do is a cheap shot which does not reflect a great credit on you as a communicator and polemicist.

An agreement had been reached prior to the night in question, when they had previously had consensual sex. People can agree to things and time can pass after said agreement was initially made.

Hasn't it occurred to you that I might have been misled by the grammar mistake you made?
You said:
At night he got a little itch and felt he had to satisfy it, the agreement with him and the woman was that they only have sex with a rubber on. He did not put a rubber on, and when she woke up he said he was wearing one. (the bold is mine).
while it should have been:
At night he got a little itch and felt he had to satisfy it, the agreement with him and the woman had been that they only would have sex with a rubber on. He did not put a rubber on, and when she woke up he said he was wearing one.

So shall I say that if Swedes are so quick to anger disregarding a beam in their own eye it is a sad future that I envisage for Sweden? No I won't. I know some Swedes here who are a complete opposite.

[Snowhobbit]

Individual peculiarities and attitudes can't be symptomatic of the state of the whole country (unless those are peculiarities and attitudes of the country's leader). Generalizing like you do is a cheap shot which does not reflect a great credit on you as a communicator and polemicist.



Hasn't it occurred to you that I might have been misled by the grammar mistake you made?
You said:
At night he got a little itch and felt he had to satisfy it, the agreement with him and the woman was that they only have sex with a rubber on. He did not put a rubber on, and when she woke up he said he was wearing one. (the bold is mine).
while it should have been:
At night he got a little itch and felt he had to satisfy it, the agreement with him and the woman had been that they only would have sex with a rubber on. He did not put a rubber on, and when she woke up he said he was wearing one.

So shall I say that if Swedes are so quick to anger disregarding a beam in their own eye it is a sad future that I envisage for Sweden? No I won't. I know some Swedes here who are a complete opposite.

Well, I shan't say that all Ukrainians are short sighted mad men, because that would indeed be unbecoming, and I have heard that some of them are perfectly normal people.

The statement is perfectly correct grammatically, but feel free to look past the point.

[Sarmatian]

Ooh, whats this? A fight hoo haz more English skilz?

Grow up.

[Papewaio]

Being honest, after Snowden, the movies make the security forces a lot more scary than reality.

Never seen the movies.

Extraordinary rendition and non consensual water boarding and recording every international call is scary enough to ask are we in a high tech police state with a straight face.

[Beskar]

Never seen the movies.

Extraordinary rendition and non consensual water boarding and recording every international call is scary enough to ask are we in a high tech police state with a straight face.

Watch Enemy of the State, 1998 movie starring Will Smith which has the NSA doing that already and more.

[Papewaio]

You had me terrified at Will Smith.

Difference is one was a worst case, over the top, dog arse eating situation.

The other is so terrible not even having two stars from Men and Black could save it.

[Fragony]

Just intended as a cooldown, wouldn't you grasp the oppertunity to have sex with a hot woman in a hotel that is situated at pretty much the exact opposite of the planet from where you live. It just stinks. Women get raped in Sweden all time, only South-Africa is worse in the universe and surroundings for women. So why he.

[Snowhobbit]

Just intended as a cooldown, wouldn't you grasp the oppertunity to have sex with a hot woman in a hotel that is situated at pretty much the exact opposite of the planet from where you live. It just stinks.

Well it all depends, is she agreeing to have sex or not?

[Fragony]

Well it all depends, is she agreeing to have sex or not?

Sure, but what do you expect if you invite a stranger in your bed, I know what would expect, and I would be angry if I was being fooled

edit, story worth sharing.

I was with my mom in Paris to watch the new exposition of oceantic-arts, and I tried to lure the cute girl at the reception to my room for a glass of wine. Was futile. What I did had comming was the hotel's manager, she started cleaning the apartment at 4AM, she really bursted in. Sorry, no. May you live in interesting times the Chinese say.