IMMIGRATION thread

**Fragony** · 02-23-2016, 05:28

What I want you to do is at least acknowledge a problem. Everybody knows that most migrants aren't refugees. Everybody knows that life is a nightmare for christians women and gays in the refugee-centres. And everybody knows that native Europeans, apart from a few idiots, aren't the bad guys.

**Gaius Sempronius Gracchus** · 02-23-2016, 08:01

Originally Posted by Fragony

What I want you to do is at least acknowledge a problem. Everybody knows that most migrants aren't refugees. Everybody knows that life is a nightmare for christians women and gays in the refugee-centres. And everybody knows that native Europeans, apart from a few idiots, aren't the bad guys.

So....are you talking about refugees (escaping wars and bombing campaigns either instigated by or carried out by 'Native Europeans' and their allies) or migrants? The former are the subject of the thread....you appear to want to conflate the two issues, so that refugees become only more migrants, and so we can de-humanise them as you do the other migrants (an homogeneous whole,like a 'pack'or'herd' of wild animals?) as the 'bad guys' being, as they are, non 'native Europeans'... and you wonder why some might consider your position as somewhat equivalent to that of Stormfront? Methinks she doth protest too much....

**Fragony** · 02-23-2016, 08:25

Fine, yeah I absolutely adore nazi's. Let's just forget that intorance of gays jews and women-rights is rampant in what was hauled in.

**Sarmatian** · 02-23-2016, 08:29

Originally Posted by Fragony

Fine, yeah I absolutely adore nazi's. Let's just forget that intorance of gays jews and women-rights is rampant in what was hauled in.

Again implying they're not really humans?

**Fragony** · 02-23-2016, 08:51

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Again implying they're not really humans?

Where is the first time I did? And no I don't do that, your mind is playing tricks on you. Well known defence-meganism called cognitive-dissonance. What you think you see isn't there. The brain starts connecting dots if something is too confusing when it has already has made up it's mind. The equation no longer counts, just the outcome

**AE Bravo** · 02-23-2016, 09:23

Why don't you all accept that it comes with the territory? You have a bunch of people escaping a carnival of atrocities coming to your country, naturally there are going to be bad apples and it's your job to root them out now that you let them in.

It sort of seems there is some chauvinism in play here, first it was about losing your homogeneity and now it's about women not being protected, which since you're painting an entire people with the same brush shows that you couldn't care less about those women and it's just your pride really politicizing rape if we're cutting the bull and getting down to brass tacks. As much as you accuse the left of shame tactics, there are few other ways to deal with someone who indulges in calling out others on their "savage" culture.

At least that's what I got from the psychology of statements like this:

Originally Posted by Fragony

Good luck for the gorgius women in Germany with men like you. It's you who was being humiliated, you just let it happen

**Fragony** · 02-23-2016, 09:39

A lot who where caught are third generation immigrants, they were born and raised on German soil. I don't expect of them to climb up a mountain to pick an edelweis and perform a schlager

It wasn't me by the way who said shame tactics, that was Strikie. But I fully agree. Hell has no fury like a guttmensch proven wrong, proven wrong again and again and again. hissssss

**Husar** · 02-23-2016, 11:54

Originally Posted by Snowhobbit

Can I have some of what you are smoking? Which bombing campaign has been instigated by "Native Europeans" (by which I presume you mean western countries) in Syria against the local population? And when did we start dropping bombs on Eritrea and Ethiopia?

The Russians, the Americans, the French...
The African countries were only ruined by European colonialism, resource extraction, slavery, willful drawing of borders, installation of corrupt regimes and exploitative contracts, basically leaving a large population behind that has no perspective in life whatsoever.
Not true for Ethiopia of course, but it was in the middle of all this. Why do you mention it anyway? I was not aware it spawned a large number of migrants although it did habe a war with Eritrea, didn't it?

Originally Posted by Fragony

Where is the first time I did? And no I don't do that, your mind is playing tricks on you. Well known defence-meganism called cognitive-dissonance. What you think you see isn't there. The brain starts connecting dots if something is too confusing when it has already has made up it's mind. The equation no longer counts, just the outcome

You said "what was hauled in", not "who was hauled in". That implies things, not people, were hauled in. We could go on about the use of "hauled in"...
Again, language, communication, might want to work on it.

**Snowhobbit** · 02-23-2016, 12:06

Originally Posted by Husar

The Russians, the Americans, the French...
The African countries were only ruined by European colonialism, resource extraction, slavery, willful drawing of borders, installation of corrupt regimes and exploitative contracts, basically leaving a large population behind that has no perspective in life whatsoever.
Not true for Ethiopia of course, but it was in the middle of all this. Why do you mention it anyway? I was not aware it spawned a large number of migrants although it did habe a war with Eritrea, didn't it?

So when we did last drop bombs over Africa? WW2? And the bomb campaign by NATO forces is targeted towards ISIS, not the civilian population. Not sure why you are having a hard time making that distinction. And I don't know what maps you read but you might want to get a new one if you want to put Russia as a western country?

Ethiopia and Eritrea produce a lot of refugees, along with Somalia these are some of the major countries which "produces" (pardon the language) refugees. Break down of law and order, military dictatorship, mismanagement and starvation, political persecution. Take your pick, all of those things are of course horrible and can be a reasonable cause to flee the country. I'm just having a hard time tracing that to any western bombing campaigns. The notion that all of the people who came last year were from Syria is false, they might be the biggest group (maybe?) but they are certainly not a minority. It is a very heterogeneous "group" of people.

**Fragony** · 02-23-2016, 12:10

Seems perfectly clear to me, what was hauled in is islamist ulture. Real refugees leaves their problems behind, they don't bring it with them

There are of course human-rights being violated. The wifi for their iphones is slow, the tv's aren't even hd-ready let alone hd, the three meals a day aren't very tasty, and to make it even worse they don't get free phone-cards and pocket money. War must be heaven. To make it even worse, the showers and toilets are dirty, do they have to keep them clean themselve wtf? They only get cleaned twice a day!

I payed for much less. And it's much more than our elders get, they are lucky if they are looked after at all.

**Sarmatian** · 02-23-2016, 15:48

Originally Posted by Fragony

Where is the first time I did?

Hyenas comparison.

And no I don't do that, your mind is playing tricks on you. Well known defence-meganism called cognitive-dissonance. What you think you see isn't there. The brain starts connecting dots if something is too confusing when it has already has made up it's mind. The equation no longer counts, just the outcome

So you made a mistake. You meant to say "who" but said "what" instead, is that right?

**Fragony** · 02-23-2016, 15:59

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Hyenas comparison.

So you made a mistake. You meant to say "who" but said "what" instead, is that right?

So if a woman calls you a pig when your table-manners failed she's dehumanising you? Try again, you already decided on the outcome, equation please. I called them hyena's because they isolated a victin, encircled the victims (1000 or so) and started groping and ripping underwear. A second circle kept others out of the way.

edit, don't sweat it Hussie I know you don't dislike me

**Snowhobbit** · 02-23-2016, 08:48

Originally Posted by Gaius Sempronius Gracchus

So....are you talking about refugees (escaping wars and bombing campaigns either instigated by or carried out by 'Native Europeans' and their allies) or migrants? The former are the subject of the thread....you appear to want to conflate the two issues, so that refugees become only more migrants, and so we can de-humanise them as you do the other migrants (an homogeneous whole,like a 'pack'or'herd' of wild animals?) as the 'bad guys' being, as they are, non 'native Europeans'... and you wonder why some might consider your position as somewhat equivalent to that of Stormfront? Methinks she doth protest too much....

Can I have some of what you are smoking? Which bombing campaign has been instigated by "Native Europeans" (by which I presume you mean western countries) in Syria against the local population? And when did we start dropping bombs on Eritrea and Ethiopia?