IMMIGRATION thread

[Husar]

So when we did last drop bombs over Africa? WW2?

See reply to Gilrandir at the end.

And the bomb campaign by NATO forces is targeted towards ISIS, not the civilian population. Not sure why you are having a hard time making that distinction.

Thanks for the insult, you never fail to deliver. Almost makes me think you are a Kadagar-alt-account...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...vilians-report

And I don't know what maps you read but you might want to get a new one if you want to put Russia as a western country?

"Native-European"
Western is technically a relative term anyway.

Ethiopia and Eritrea produce a lot of refugees, along with Somalia these are some of the major countries which "produces" (pardon the language) refugees. Break down of law and order, military dictatorship, mismanagement and starvation, political persecution. Take your pick, all of those things are of course horrible and can be a reasonable cause to flee the country. I'm just having a hard time tracing that to any western bombing campaigns. The notion that all of the people who came last year were from Syria is false, they might be the biggest group (maybe?) but they are certainly not a minority. It is a very heterogeneous "group" of people.

I'm not sure where you got the ideas that:
a) Everything needs to be traced back to a western bombing campaign.
b) That there is a notion that all the refugees come from Syria.

I've recently had a discussion with Fragony about the troublemakers being largely of north-african descent. I'm also aware that a lot of people from sub-saharan Africa journey to northern Africa to get to Europe and, according to their own accounts, want to do such things as "become rich football stars". I have never said we should allow these people to stay, although I can understand their strife for a better life to a certain extent. What I argue against are mostly comments that say because these people are among the refugees, we shouldn't let any of them in. Or that they're all inherently incompatible and will only disrupt our fairytale lives. Plenty of people sound like they assume that all refugees are criminals or otherwise undesirable "disruptors", which is just as wrong as the opposite assumption that I never intended to make. In fact I have said numerous times that we should keep those deserving of help, who also appreciate our help and throw out everyone who becomes criminal or otherwise refuses the help she or he gets.
Regardless of this, there is however the issue of how and where to send people you want to throw out as several countries do not want to take anyone back. Do we bomb them until they take them back or let them blackmail us and pay? Or do we place people in no-man's-land until they starve to death?

Seems perfectly clear to me, what was hauled in is islamist ulture.

You (should) know that I kinda like you as a person and often try to interprete your comments somewhat favourably, but even I had no idea that this is what you meant. Keep in mind there are two people involved in communication and just because something makes sense to you, it does not mean others will understand it exactly as you intended. I will admit that this can be a problem for me too (sometimes intentionally, sometimes not) and probably everyone else here, but it also seems obvious that you have a huge problem with this...

Not that long ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_U...mbing_of_Libya

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_m...ntion_in_Libya

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