Bird mafia [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Surprised you didn't go with GeneralHawkerchief, it's only one letter to change.

[Askthepizzaguy]

One of these is the correct reason:

(a) I already have a hawk on my list, and didn't want people to think I was just being lazy

(b) I did not think of it, and now I don't want to admit that I didn't see the obvious.

And the mystery of which one of these is the correct one will never be solved.

[BSmith]

Queue Pizza quickly scrambling to think of other Hawk names that would work with whomever might join next...

[Zack]

Surprised you didn't go with GeneralHawkerchief, it's only one letter to change.

Be grateful your name is not literally just your username plus a random bird.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Be grateful your name is not literally just your username plus a random bird.

It's like black hawk... oh never mind. I can't argue this point.

[El Barto]

One of these is the correct reason:

(a) I already have a hawk on my list, and didn't want people to think I was just being lazy

(b) I did not think of it, and now I don't want to admit that I didn't see the obvious.

And the mystery of which one of these is the correct one will never be solved.

¿Por qué no las dos?

[Askthepizzaguy]

¿Por qué no las dos?

Porque todavia tengo mi orgullo.

[El Barto]

I'm reading you in a Ted Cruz-like voice. Heh-heh.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Does he also have to use google translate?

Who am I kidding, he'd use it every time if he could.

[Double A]

caw caw mother[preemptively censored]

[Double A]

Time Warner keeps living up to my expectations, so I haven't had stable Internet this week. Sorry Pizzaman.

Anyway, I think Winston's town due to his defeatist mood. Leaning Beskar for scum so vote: Beskar

[Zack]

Kiwikhaan – Nothing specific in thread, but I do find Beskar’s analysis on his playstyle intriguing. Would like to know more about why others are voting for him today though.

keep in mind this is one of bsmith's two strongest reads

a townie sees scum behind every corner. a mafia sees town everywhere. BSmith has decided to make noncommittal accusations against townies while town-reading his teammates. (Assuming khaan is town, because if him and bsmith were partners, bsmith wouldn't hesitate to jump on the wagon to bus him). I assume the reason bsmith isn't voting khaan is because at least one mafia already is (GH and/or Beskar).

Something interesting. Last night GH said:

I did suspect Al Sips until about two hours ago when Pizza posted the lynch. Beyond that I think our scum is some combination of BSmith, one or two of our inactive players, and maybe atheotes.

atheotes shows up dead, and gh places an unexplained vote for khaan (and yes i realize he came in later to say "force divided by area vote" which is the same as admitting there's no reason), who he did not indicate any suspicion towards. Only thing giving me pause is that the whole thing -- calling half the players town and only fingering inactives plus atheotes/bsmith as targets (about as noncontroversial as you could possibly be), then killing atheotes... seems inexplicably lazy/sloppy if he is scum.

BSmith said:

As scum I will shy away from making a decisive vote. I do feel that you and Beskar are both town. (and really, what are the chances you rand scum three times in a row?)

Notice how he has shied away from making a decisive vote today. Also notice how he strongly felt I was town, even throwing in a meaningless statistic to bolster his claim, then comes in today and immediately calls me one of his top two suspects. Quite the turnaround for being based on nothing that happened between those two reads. His reads on gh and beskar are pretty fluffy too. Actually, all his reads are -- the only one he seemed to put any effort into was mine, which is weird for someone he insisted was town more than once yesterday. Almost like he was looking for someone to give him a reason to vote me (which I obliged), and was never truly interested in voting khaan, but he didn't want to be the one to make the big push to save khaan. Look at his khaan read again, he even admits that he has no real reason to suspect him, but still throws him in as a top suspect because that's what impeccable townies gh and beskar are doing (and if him and khaan are partners, voicing suspicion of your teammate without actually voting them is a classic scum tactic, I have a bad habit of using it all the time).

So to conclude, I think BSmith is definitely scum. Likeliest partners are khaan, beskar, inactives... sigh, idk could be anyone really.

Looking at yesterday's wagons:

I still have a bad feeling that Al Sipsclar was a scum-wagon.

Beskar wagon had a dead townie, me (100% town), and winston (my strongest town read other than myself) on it. Coincidence that the al sips wagon was filled with scum and beskar wagon with town? This leading question indicates that isn't the case.

Zack wagon had a dead townie and khaan (winston was the one who drove it however). Think beskar was on it at some point. Definitely less scummy to be on than the al sips one.

Pretty much seems that people jumped on al sips to save beskar. iirc GH prodded beskar to go that direction fwiw.

[Zack]

Missed in the last post - I mentioned that:

voicing suspicion of your teammate without actually voting them is a classic scum tactic, I have a bad habit of using it all the time

but failed to point out that GH voiced suspicion of bsmith (immediately after I had done so) but has not followed it up today, instead going after khaan for some reason and even trying to get bsmith to join him. Weird way to treat your only suspect that isn't inactive.

[Beskar]

I was suspicious of BSmith last night, I think Khan is being honest, unvote;vote:BSmith.

(Limited access, at a conference)

[Beskar]

GH is generally a hard read and he has been doing the wise sage role in this game. Only times I had a strong scent of scum in the past is when he getting lynched on Day 1 and plays really hardball like in Snake Cult and Subotans China game, both times redirecting lynch on me.
It could be that GH is scum, he does have a key advantage in that scenario to make friends with victimised townies, I've: me and Zack last day phase, which he could use to buy street cred which can be exploited. Who would you rather side with? aggressive Zack, or friendly GH? Also being Gameroom mod, he might go for random kills or go for inactive-ish players like ath, which one of ath's scum tells funnily enough. I am going to lean on him being on the scum side. Also, his vote on Khaan could be to try to direct me down that path, then Khaan comes out as town, he can begin turning votes around on me. Something he is more than capable of doing.

My gut says Khaan is being honest as the usual excuse for inactivity is being busy, Khaan is quite active, and what struck me was that he simply outright said "sorry, I am not into this game" which twigged me as being usual for him, as usually getting called out usually results in a reply defending or accusation.

Going to keep vote on BSmith, were good points raised by Zack and they need addressing.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think you're reading into it a little too much. I'm simply calling it as I see it, not trying to collect sympathy favors from people in order to cash in on them later on. I have a town read on Zack right now, but if something changes and I think he's scum later on, I'm not going to keep him alive just because he might be more likely to vote with me. I'm going to try to get him lynched.