IMMIGRATION thread

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

Of course people have always looked for better places, but the current situation is different, they come here en-masse because the childless mutti invited them here. There is no precedent to this. The brain-surgeon was sarcasm most migrants have little to no education at al. Almost all young men who have no hope of getting a job or a woman, bound to get frustrated. That's the long-term

You don't think that the movement "en-masse" has rather more to do with the places they used to live being bombed into oblivion? You understand that whatever Merkel said, that leads to you referring to her with such misogynistic flourish, was a reaction to a situation of the movements of people en-masse....so they were already moving.

[Shaka_Khan]

Why is it the EUs responsibility help the migrants?

The EU didn't tell them to come. The migrants chose the EU because the European OECD countries are the closest OECD countries.

[Fragony]

You don't think that the movement "en-masse" has rather more to do with the places they used to live being bombed into oblivion? You understand that whatever Merkel said, that leads to you referring to her with such misogynistic flourish, was a reaction to a situation of the movements of people en-masse....so they were already moving.

I understand what she said in another interview, she wants to show the world that Germany has changed and have learned from itls nazi-past, she is insane and is dragging Europe into her maelström of insanity. Any psycholigist would agree that it is very relevant that she's barren, and that she has a messias-complex. The only place she ought to be is in a padded cell strapped itn a selfhugsuit.

[Beskar]

I saw this and thought of you, Frags.

[Greyblades]

That is surprisingly apt.

[Snowhobbit]

You don't think that the movement "en-masse" has rather more to do with the places they used to live being bombed into oblivion? You understand that whatever Merkel said, that leads to you referring to her with such misogynistic flourish, was a reaction to a situation of the movements of people en-masse....so they were already moving.

Neither Africa nor Pakistan is being bombed "en-masse", and though Turkey has had an increase in terror bombings to my knowledge they have not targeted refugee camps. But I know you don't like facts, so don't worry too much.

[Fragony]

lol http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/02duitsland.jpg

[Sir Moody]

Neither Africa nor Pakistan is being bombed "en-masse", and though Turkey has had an increase in terror bombings to my knowledge they have not targeted refugee camps. But I know you don't like facts, so don't worry too much.

... what

This spectacular display of ignorance forced me out of self imposed lurking.

There are currently 2 Major conflicts raging in North Africa (the South Sudan Civil war and the Boko Harem insurgency) and numerous smaller conflicts including the ever worsening situation in Libya and the Somali civil war which has been on and off again since 1991).

On the Pakistan front there is open fighting with the Taliban and constant US drone bombing along with an increase in repression of Pakistan's Christian minority (including several death sentences for "heresy" and numerous cases of lynchings)

Honestly he is entirely right - what the German Government did was neither here no there - the refugees were already on the move and en-route - Germany was left with only had 2 choices, welcome them or close the borders.

The current situation on the Greek/Serbian border should show how option 2 was never a good plan.

[Snowhobbit]

... what

This spectacular display of ignorance forced me out of self imposed lurking.

There are currently 2 Major conflicts raging in North Africa (the South Sudan Civil war and the Boko Harem insurgency) and numerous smaller conflicts including the ever worsening situation in Libya and the Somali civil war which has been on and off again since 1991).

On the Pakistan front there is open fighting with the Taliban and constant US drone bombing along with an increase in repression of Pakistan's Christian minority (including several death sentences for "heresy" and numerous cases of lynchings)

Honestly he is entirely right - what the German Government did was neither here no there - the refugees were already on the move and en-route - Germany was left with only had 2 choices, welcome them or close the borders.

The current situation on the Greek/Serbian border should show how option 2 was never a good plan.

Oh yes, I forgot how the drones are carpetbombing cities which causes the population to have to flee all the way to Europe. The Somali civil war only affects half the country and the people in the unsafe half can then easily travel to the safe half. Did you know that India recently due to community rioting had over 2 million citizens being internally displaced refugees? How many of those fled to Europe again?
And do go on explaining how those conflicts result in people fleeing from Eritrea, Ethiopia etc. A large quantity of the people trying to enter Europe are opportunistic fortune seekers. Which is not an inherently bad thing, but lets not label them as refugees and spend all of our money babying them while we leave the actual refugee camps underfunded.

[Sir Moody]

Oh yes, I forgot how the drones are carpetbombing cities which causes the population to have to flee all the way to Europe. The Somali civil war only affects half the country and the people in the unsafe half can then easily travel to the safe half. Did you know that India recently due to community rioting had over 2 million citizens being internally displaced refugees? How many of those fled to Europe again?
And do go on explaining how those conflicts result in people fleeing from Eritrea, Ethiopia etc. A large quantity of the people trying to enter Europe are opportunistic fortune seekers. Which is not an inherently bad thing, but lets not label them as refugees and spend all of our money babying them while we leave the actual refugee camps underfunded.

While I don't know of any current problems in Eritrea, Ethiopia has suffered a massive drought and there are heightened fears there will be another mass starvation event.

Just because you don't know about a conflict/crisis or deem it "insignificant" doesn't mean there are not people fleeing for their lives - don't belittle them.

[Snowhobbit]

While I don't know of any current problems in Eritrea, Ethiopia has suffered a massive drought and there are heightened fears there will be another mass starvation event.

Just because you don't know about a conflict/crisis or deem it "insignificant" doesn't mean there are not people fleeing for their lives - don't belittle them.

So which bomb campaign caused the drought? And is a suitable response to a drought to flee across thousands of miles and a sea? Or are there more sane solutions to that problem?

I don't see you lining up to house refugees and finance their upkeep. Calling a spade a spade is not belittling.

[Fragony]

Just because you don't know about a conflict/crisis or deem it "insignificant" doesn't mean there are not people fleeing for their lives - don't belittle them.

They may have a good reason to run for their lifes, but not to travel any further once they are safe. Why shouldn't we call those that do fortune-seekers? Aid for direct releave is pretty managable to give.

Elaborating, we all know that Europe produces too much and dumps it in Africa, it keeps them poor as they can't compete with free goods. So use development-money to buy the surplus up instead and just give it to them. No more reason to take a very dangerous trip to a future that does not exist.
Would also benefit the locals as the migrants won't have to pay the rediculous prices human-smugglers ask. Aid done different and more effective imho.

[Snowhobbit]

They may have a good reason to run for their lifes, but not to travel any further once they are safe. Why shouldn't we call those that do fortune-seekers? Aid for direct releave is pretty managable to give.

Elaborating, we all know that Europe produces too much and dumps it in Africa, it keeps them poor as they can't compete with free goods. So use development-money to buy the surplus up instead and just give it to them. No more reason to take a very dangerous trip to a future that does not exist.
Would also benefit the locals as the migrants won't have to pay the rediculous prices human-smugglers ask. Aid done different and more effective imho.

Doing aid in that way would ensure that any industry involved in the production or sales of the goods given away would collapse, resulting in more poverty. It is a great way to make sure that more people find that the best option in their mind is to risk their lives "fleeing" to a richer country. Not sure that is what you would like to happen.