IKEA mafia [Concluded]

**Askthepizzaguy** · 04-14-2016, 17:25

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Pizza-Golden1Knight real mason team

Tried to draw murder onto Punisher and away from my real partner, but Punisher couldn't confirm he was my mason partner so.

I tried to draw murder away from vigilante because he's more valuable and it would lock clear GK and also possibly get Punisher cleared via murder if he's innocent.

Time to start generating a vote record that can be analyzed. Votes on pizza, Golden, or folks I'm village-reading are pretty bad folks.

It's causing me to abandon the strategy which would have been useful.

If villagers would just stop trying to lynch villagers we'd get somewhere. It's really hard to find the scums when there's so much villager on villager voting. Why I got so pissy yesterday.

**edse** · 04-14-2016, 19:04

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

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Pizza-Golden1Knight real mason team

Tried to draw murder onto Punisher and away from my real partner, but Punisher couldn't confirm he was my mason partner so.

I tried to draw murder away from vigilante because he's more valuable and it would lock clear GK and also possibly get Punisher cleared via murder if he's innocent.

Time to start generating a vote record that can be analyzed. Votes on pizza, Golden, or folks I'm village-reading are pretty bad folks.

It's causing me to abandon the strategy which would have been useful.

If villagers would just stop trying to lynch villagers we'd get somewhere. It's really hard to find the scums when there's so much villager on villager voting. Why I got so pissy yesterday.

How do you know that Punisher isn't the vig?

**Askthepizzaguy** · 04-19-2016, 15:23

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

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This was the hard mason breadcrumbing post, I put it in lime green but it shows up poorly so I'll go through it again really quick in regular color.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

My vote looms over the unfortunate designer furnishings like the sword of Damocles. Seventeen players, and only so many places for the scummos to hide. Perhaps three scummos. If I took five shots randomly, how many scummos could I hit?

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Well. If I took shots here, I could get into a lot of trouble.

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Vote: Khaan

Simplified version:

1) Sword of Damocles, a knight carries a sword. Referencing Golden1Knight.
2) Immediately after Sword of Damocles, the number Seventeen is written out. In Sooh's player list, Golden1Knight was listed as the seventeenth player.
3) Immediately posted after my opener where I said I was a villager+lock clear, indicating that I'm about to breadcrumb another lock clear
4) In my list of five shots, I have four players written out with nicknames or shortened names, but Golden1Knight is written out completely as it appears.

There are later clues. I reference him in post 288 as well.

There are no similar clues referencing Punisher, the claim that I was mason with him was more overt and involved trying to get him to actually confirm it verbally in the thread, which is completely daffy and the first thing a scum team would look for. Hence why I did it.

Punisher being scum instead is pretty funny.

At the top of this post is a link back to the original which I copied directly from Mason chat:

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**Askthepizzaguy** · 04-19-2016, 15:29

Yknow, I could have had an okay game, outside of the whole aggressively lynching villagers, running Khaan off, and trying Zack's patience, and breaking the tie in favor of a townie instead of a scum.

Outside of that massive bucket of AIDS I had an okay game. Top notch.

<_<

>_>

**Eldrick** · 04-19-2016, 15:29

I think I somehow completely missed that post the first time around.

**Eldrick** · 04-19-2016, 15:31

I'm also a little disappointed nobody commented on my avi.

I did it for you, Zack :)

**Askthepizzaguy** · 04-19-2016, 15:32

Originally Posted by Eldrick

I'm also a little disappointed nobody commented on my avi.

I did it for you, Zack :)

Well Zack deserves something this game. A win would be nice and seems likely atm.

**Golden1Knight** · 04-19-2016, 16:03

Unvote; Vote: edse

**edse** · 04-19-2016, 17:23

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

My estimation was in a game this small, most of the players would be vanilla. Drawing a murder onto a vanilla townie that otherwise cannot clear himself (Punisher being a low-poster, unlikely to draw a murder or clear himself otherwise) and one I could plausibly claim as a partner too.

How else would I know he's villager? Mason partner or peek only. So after I die, mafia should have always murdered Punisher.

Idea was:

1) Draw murder to me, away from the town vigilante.
2) In so doing, convince the mafia that Punisher was my mason buddy, keeping Golden1Knight alive.
3) Once Punisher-villager dies, Golden1Knight hard claims, getting a mason deep into the game, possibly endgame, with proof of masonry.strongly and repeatedly breadcrumbed.
4) I also strongly hinted for the vigilante to NOT shoot inside the low posters and I aggressively tried to lynch everyone who tried to divert the lynch in that direction.

I didn't know Punisher was scum. But even in such an event, our mason claim fixes the problem of me looking bad from that mistake.

It was a gamble and even in the bad scenario town does ok. Visor and myself and G1K survived N1 and N2.

Surprised the scums didn't shoot into us. If they did, they were bus driven.

But edse has basically hard claimed not town bus driver. And no one else has claimed town bus driver.

As such, edse is the scum bus driver.

Analysis shows....

If that's the case, why wouldn't the scum bus driver claim town bus driver after accidentally diverting a kill onto his own partner?

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Originally Posted by edse

How do you know that Punisher isn't the vig?

This question is not solving for village.

mason claims. Says this gamble took place regarding Punisher.

Punisher hasn't been revealed to be mafia yet. Punisher isn't the vig, of course, but how did I know that?

I didn't know that. Why would anyone think I knew that?

It was a guess, a shot in the dark.

Even if you legitimately thought I knew that somehow, why are you fishing a claimed mason for more information?

This question is something a scumbag asks in order to look like solving. Compare it to the question quoted earlier that GH posed me.

Because you said it yourself!

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

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Pizza-Golden1Knight real mason team

Tried to draw murder onto Punisher and away from my real partner, but Punisher couldn't confirm he was my mason partner so.

I tried to draw murder away from vigilante because he's more valuable and it would lock clear GK and also possibly get Punisher cleared via murder if he's innocent.

Time to start generating a vote record that can be analyzed. Votes on pizza, Golden, or folks I'm village-reading are pretty bad folks.

It's causing me to abandon the strategy which would have been useful.

If villagers would just stop trying to lynch villagers we'd get somewhere. It's really hard to find the scums when there's so much villager on villager voting. Why I got so pissy yesterday.

You wanted to draw the kill away from the vig and onto Punisher, that means you know that Punisher isn't the vig.

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Originally Posted by edse

Vote: Visor, his claim doesn't hold water at all.

Except it was true.

Which is a hard claim of an information role, or that Edse is the mafia bus driver.

Because a town bus driver would know that Visor was telling the truth.

Edse cannot claim town bus driver here plausibly, and tracker or watcher results would be solving, so they should be offered. No reason not to.

Desperation maneuver when the deepest wolf is getting lynched instead of El Barto.

Edse can't bus El Barto after Punisher, and then expect to survive the game.

This was a hail mary to save El Barto.

Edse defending his garbage claim.

Where's edse's vote on El Barto?

It's exactly Raith or edse at this point, and edse's garbage claim condemns him 100 times more than Raith.

Always lynch edse here barring an extraordinary claim.

BUT IT IS TRUE! Visor killed jht. You can't solve the game if you work from the false assumption that he didn't.

I'm a tracker. I tracked Visor killing Zack the first night. I made a weak case against him to not reveal my role and in case he was a vig.

The second night I tracked him again, this time he killed jht. This made it clear to me that he wasn't the vig since the vig killed Punisher. Of course I was trying to lynch him.

Last night I tracked him again but this time he didn't do anything.

**Eldrick** · 04-19-2016, 18:05

Originally Posted by edse

If that's the case, why wouldn't the scum bus driver claim town bus driver after accidentally diverting a kill onto his own partner?

Because you said it yourself!

You wanted to draw the kill away from the vig and onto Punisher, that means you know that Punisher isn't the vig.

BUT IT IS TRUE! Visor killed jht. You can't solve the game if you work from the false assumption that he didn't.

I'm a tracker. I tracked Visor killing Zack the first night. I made a weak case against him to not reveal my role and in case he was a vig.

The second night I tracked him again, this time he killed jht. This made it clear to me that he wasn't the vig since the vig killed Punisher. Of course I was trying to lynch him.

Last night I tracked him again but this time he didn't do anything.

He was the vig, though. So you are saying the vig shot John and scum shot themselves.

Not buying it.

**Sooh** · 04-19-2016, 17:24

Vote count:

edse (7) - Askthepizzaguy, Al Sipsclar, Raith Kemmler, Eldrick, BSmith, GeneralHankerchief, Golden1Knight

GeneralHankerchief (1) - atheotes

Not voting: edse

**edse** · 04-19-2016, 17:28

You are almost unanimously voting for me, this proves there are no town bus driver (otherwise you need to speak out atheotes). That means there is a scum bus driver.