Israel Thread

[AE Bravo]

You find it hard to believe that Islamist and Kurdish opposition have gotten to where they are with foreign backing…

I’m not trying to whitewash anything, but coming back to the point, these things have to be highlighted when you look at Iranian foreign policy. Basically you started by telling me that “if you know anything about Iranian foreign policy you’d know it SUCKS” without telling me how it’s worse than US or Israel. I tried explaining why it’s smarter and safer. If facts didn’t matter to me like you say I wouldn’t waste my time defending something I really dislike.

Well, yes. The international community has for the most part agreed that Hezbollah at the very least has parts of it which engage in terrorist activities. The same international community which has condemned Israel for its crimes. You cant ignore the opinion of the international community when its not convenient for you.

One is a disputed issue while the other isn’t. You can point to supranational bodies being against something to make a point but you can’t say it’s “fact” when there are countries that object to it using the charters of the very same bodies to prove a point.

[Hooahguy]

You find it hard to believe that Islamist and Kurdish opposition have gotten to where they are with foreign backing…

You said that "US funded Daesh before it became Daesh just so it could bring down Assad." I think for some reason you think that the Syrian rebels boil down to Kurds, Islamist, or ISIS. There are moderate groups fighting, there just arent very many of them. Which is why the US program to arm moderate rebels failed, because whoever they did vet and then arm, they were just captured or gave up to extremist groups. So is the US arming extremist groups by accident? Sure I guess if you want to argue that feeble point, that goes back to 2014 when the Iraqi Army just kinda gave up and all that equipment that the US donated fell into ISIS hands. But its is not policy and there is no evidence that it is policy as you say yourself.

I’m not trying to whitewash anything, but coming back to the point, these things have to be highlighted when you look at Iranian foreign policy. Basically you started by telling me that “if you know anything about Iranian foreign policy you’d know it SUCKS” without telling me how it’s worse than US or Israel. I tried explaining why it’s smarter and safer. If facts didn’t matter to me like you say I wouldn’t waste my time defending something I really dislike.

Clearly you arent reading what Im writing because I never said that Iranian FP flat out sucks. And I do mention how their FP isnt all that great you just dont listen. There are "good" parts to Iranian FP, I just do not think that its all sunshine and roses like you seem to think. I think you whitewash when you find something which you disagree with. Such as Hezbollah.

One is a disputed issue while the other isn’t. You can point to supranational bodies being against something to make a point but you can’t say it’s “fact” when there are countries that object to it using the charters of the very same bodies to prove a point.

On a certain level, both issues are disputed if we are going by your logic. Because there are countries who do object to the idea that Israel is apartheid and whatnot.

[AE Bravo]

Well, we know they funded FSA and they are pretty much Islamist, since they’re affiliated with a whole lot of other subgroups with fascist charters. US’s allies, like Qatar and Turkey, support AQ groups like Al Nusra. These moderate rebels you’re talking....who the hell knows who they are, man.

There are "good" parts to Iranian FP, I just do not think that its all sunshine and roses like you seem to think. I think you whitewash when you find something which you disagree with. Such as Hezbollah.

Me saying it’s not a terror org isn’t whitewashing.

And no, it’s not sunshine and roses but it’s better, the results they got speak for themselves. It's proven to be safer, no need to sidestep that.

On a certain level, both issues are disputed if we are going by your logic. Because there are countries who do object to the idea that Israel is apartheid and whatnot.

Okay, here’s what you said:

Well, yes. The international community has for the most part agreed that Hezbollah at the very least has parts of it which engage in terrorist activities. The same international community which has condemned Israel for its crimes. You cant ignore the opinion of the international community when its not convenient for you.

Israeli war crimes = acknowledged by everyone
Hezbollah labelling = disputed

And you’re right, not everybody considers it apartheid. On the other hand, apartheid is easier to spot since terrorism doesn’t really mean anything.

[Hooahguy]

Me saying it’s not a terror org isn’t whitewashing.

To you maybe.

And no, it’s not sunshine and roses but it’s better, the results they got speak for themselves. It's proven to be safer, no need to sidestep that.

Maybe safer. They are still pariahs to an extent, and only beginning to shed that label with the recent nuclear deal.

Israeli war crimes = acknowledged by everyone
Hezbollah labelling = disputed

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was pointing out that most of the same people who call out Israel for their crimes are also the ones who say that Hezbollah at the very least has elements which engage in terrorist activities. Some go further and label the whole thing as a terror organization but some which just label certain parts of Hezbollah, acknowledging the fact that there are parts of the group which actually do good for the Lebanese people.

On the other hand, apartheid is easier to spot since terrorism doesn’t really mean anything.

Explain?