Brexit Thread

[Pannonian]

Who did you vote for in the last Euro election? Did you canvas for your MEP candidate?

[InsaneApache]

Who did you vote for in the last Euro election? Did you canvas for your MEP candidate?

LOL

[InsaneApache]

You know as well as I do the MEPs are members of a toothless talking shop. The real power is the Commission.

[Pannonian]

You know as well as I do the MEPs are members of a toothless talking shop. The real power is the Commission.

The real power is the UK Parliament, whose MPs we elect. Most European bodies are practically powerless unless we decide we want to implement whatever it is they're suggesting. There is a powerful movement in the EU that transcends national government, but it's to do with the euro and hence something that doesn't concern us. Nearly everything in the EU that overrides national government we've opted out of. There may well be a good argument within the eurozone for exiting a body that has powers that they can do nothing about, but the UK is free of nearly everything of that sort. For the UK, the EU is not much more than an EEC with some social additions that our national government wants anyway. A Nexit may make philosophical sense on those grounds. Not so much a Brexit.

Even if we do exit the EU, we're not big enough to stand alone in global markets. So we're going to have to look elsewhere for a bloc that will support our interests. The closest alternative is the US. The problem with a US-UK economic bloc is that the US is even keener on what we see as the worst parts of globalisation than the EU is. The US, after all, is keen on an absolute free market, while the biggest use of EU money is propping up local economies. Exiting the EU because we don't like their bigger vista only sends us towards an even greater supporter of globalisation.

[Fragony]

Consider the Benelux (without Walliona) and Scandinavian countries, an absolute powerhouse. There are ways to get rid of the monster that is the EU, none of said countries need them.

[Pannonian]

Consider the Benelux (without Walliona) and Scandinavian countries, an absolute powerhouse. There are ways to get rid of the monster that is the EU, none of said countries need them.

Create that bloc and we'll join you. Don't expect us to make the first steps.

[Husar]

I don't even get to vote on it!

[Fragony]

Create that bloc and we'll join you. Don't expect us to make the first steps.

We are hoping you, our referendums aren't binding, only Wilders wants binding referendums and nobody wants to work with him. A brexit would be a great leap, and yes the first step. The dutch were against the EU constitution, they did it anyway. The Dutch were against the treaty with Ukraine, they did it anyway. When our economy grows the EU demands more money, they even take in account illegal money that was made in prostitution and drugs. The EU is just as much dispised here as it is in the UK.

[InsaneApache]

The real power is the UK Parliament, whose MPs we elect. Most European bodies are practically powerless unless we decide we want to implement whatever it is they're suggesting. There is a powerful movement in the EU that transcends national government, but it's to do with the euro and hence something that doesn't concern us. Nearly everything in the EU that overrides national government we've opted out of. There may well be a good argument within the eurozone for exiting a body that has powers that they can do nothing about, but the UK is free of nearly everything of that sort. For the UK, the EU is not much more than an EEC with some social additions that our national government wants anyway. A Nexit may make philosophical sense on those grounds. Not so much a Brexit.

Even if we do exit the EU, we're not big enough to stand alone in global markets. So we're going to have to look elsewhere for a bloc that will support our interests. The closest alternative is the US. The problem with a US-UK economic bloc is that the US is even keener on what we see as the worst parts of globalisation than the EU is. The US, after all, is keen on an absolute free market, while the biggest use of EU money is propping up local economies. Exiting the EU because we don't like their bigger vista only sends us towards an even greater supporter of globalisation.

With all due respect, that's just wrong.

The Lisbon treaty changed all that.

As for being too small to exist outside of the EU, ludicrous.

If you value wealth over liberty and freedom, then you deserve to get everything you asked for. Good and hard.

[Husar]

If you value wealth over liberty and freedom, then you deserve to get everything you asked for. Good and hard.

You mean like London with all the CCTV and financial industry?

[Fragony]

Help us Obiwan Kanobi, you are our only hope. A brexit is the only way we will ever get a nexit, and blow up the EU together.