Brexit Thread

[Pannonian]

There were also more Russians than Ukrainians in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine...
And more Native Americans than British in America...
And more Palestinians than Jews in Palestine...

As for leaving a sovereign nation, IIRC your argument was that they were afraid to be incorporated/conquered, not that they were already part and wanted to secede. That's a different starting point, isn't it?

The UK is already part of the EU, should the EU force the UK to stay using violent means if necessary because one can't just let anyone leave a union to do their own thing?

If the referendum is close, one can even say that there are a lot of EU citizens in there and we need to make sure they're not oppressed by the nasty British separatist rebels.

I'm voting to stay, but be careful of your accusations. The Brexit boys have some real grievances against the stay campaign, that you're making light of.

[InsaneApache]

I'm voting to stay, but be careful of your accusations. The Brexit boys have some real grievances against the stay campaign, that you're making light of.

Aye with friends like the EU, who needs enemies?

[Pannonian]

Aye with friends like the EU, who needs enemies?

There could be worse. We English weren't too happy either when the Scots voted on independence. Similar arguments exist in both cases, and there is certainly no moral superiority for one union whilst favouring exit from the other.

[Slyspy]

The referendum represents an abrogation of their responsibility on the part of our elected representatives while the two cases are made with half-truths spun until it is impossible to judge the reality of the claims. People are making up their minds on a crucial issue in an atmosphere of confusion and ignorance in which passion counts for more than fact.

This is no way to run a country.

[Husar]

The Brexit boys have some real grievances against the stay campaign, that you're making light of.

Serious question as that expression is rather new to me. Does it mean:

a) I'm taking it too lightly and it is a serious issue

or

b) I'm shining a light on something I may not want in the open (and may attract unwanted attention)

???

I can see both interpretations work.

[Gilrandir]

There were also more Russians than Ukrainians in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine...

The latter is wrong. Ukrainians dominate in any region except Crimea (yellow is for Ukrainians):



Perhaps you meant Russian speakers?

People are making up their minds on a crucial issue in an atmosphere of confusion and ignorance in which passion counts for more than fact.

This is no way to run a country.

This is the usual way with referenda and running countries.

[Pannonian]

Serious question as that expression is rather new to me. Does it mean:

a) I'm taking it too lightly and it is a serious issue

or

b) I'm shining a light on something I may not want in the open (and may attract unwanted attention)

???

I can see both interpretations work.

Treating such a proposition lightly, as if making fun of. Certain Europeans have rather more rights in the UK than is reasonable (more than UK citizens have in their country). If anyone seriously pushes the argument that you're proposing, then I'd support redressing that issue. And you know what, if that happens, people like yourself would blame the UK for acting to redress the balance, rather than people like yourself for drawing attention to that imbalance in the first place. It's always the case, that people like yourself like putting yourselves on a moral pedestal, whilst never taking responsibility for the consequences of your words.

[Husar]

Treating such a proposition lightly, as if making fun of. Certain Europeans have rather more rights in the UK than is reasonable (more than UK citizens have in their country). If anyone seriously pushes the argument that you're proposing, then I'd support redressing that issue. And you know what, if that happens, people like yourself would blame the UK for acting to redress the balance, rather than people like yourself for drawing attention to that imbalance in the first place. It's always the case, that people like yourself like putting yourselves on a moral pedestal, whilst never taking responsibility for the consequences of your words.

Myself thinks that yourself knows a lot more about myself than myself does, but thank yourself for the explanation.

The latter is wrong. Ukrainians dominate in any region except Crimea (yellow is for Ukrainians):



Perhaps you meant Russian speakers?

I thought so but just didn't care enough as the point stands either way.
Or maybe I should say: Not according to RT...

[Gilrandir]

Certain Europeans have rather more rights in the UK than is reasonable (more than UK citizens have in their country).

It makes sense. The British already dwarf even powers-that-be:
http://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2016/...lande-and.html

[InsaneApache]

It makes sense. The British already dwarf even powers-that-be:
http://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2016/...lande-and.html

Except one of them was bought without taxpayers money. Talk about apples and oranges!

[Gilrandir]

Except one of them was bought without taxpayers money. Talk about apples and oranges!

You are taking it too seriously. It was just a funny picture.

[Husar]

Except one of them was bought without taxpayers money. Talk about apples and oranges!

I'm pretty sure all of them were bought with money from taxpayers.

[Fragony]

lol, this is painfull, that unelected Juncker is absolutily hammered he can hardly stand, that drunk http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven....html#comments