Mass Shooting in Orlando become's USA's worst.

[Fragony]

That this is clearly the action of a deranged young adult who, despite never really heavily participating in religious activity (according to his family), used religious extremism as an excuse to commit mass murder? Yes, Fragony. I agree with you.

Naturally there is only one thing that has nothing to do with it. It also had nothing to with it in Paris and Brussels. All deranged young adults. All isolated incidents, naturaly. No such things like sleeping cells. IS claiming the attack, lol rediculous never happened

Reactions of Obama and Clinton are repulsive, this isn't about guns, such vultures

[CrossLOPER]

Naturally there is only one thing that has nothing to do with it. It also had nothing to with it in Paris and Brussels. All deranged young adults.

Because mass shooters are well known to be mentally stable, functional and productive members of society, much like these people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_...chool_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charle...hurch_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colora...thood_shooting

Well that didn't help. Let's see what the ex-wife of the killer has to say:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36513512

No no no. Let's look at the incidents directly linked to transgender violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States

Huh. Well, let's see what's been going on in the past week or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_...istina_Grimmie
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-...o-2016-france/

This is hard.

Reactions of Obama and Clinton are repulsive, this isn't about guns, such vultures

Well, we know that Trump can give a sensitive, well thought-out response and rally his supporters in this time when the focus should be on the victim's grieving families:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-t...-mass-shooting

Fragony, I'm confused. Can you help me out?

[Fragony]

Because mass shooters are well known to be mentally stable, functional and productive members of society, much like these people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_...chool_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charle...hurch_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colora...thood_shooting

Well that didn't help. Let's see what the ex-wife of the killer has to say:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36513512

No no no. Let's look at the incidents directly linked to transgender violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States

Huh. Well, let's see what's been going on in the past week or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_...istina_Grimmie
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-...o-2016-france/

This is hard.



Well, we know that Trump can give a sensitive, well thought-out response and rally his supporters in this time when the focus should be on the victim's grieving families:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-t...-mass-shooting

Fragony, I'm confused. Can you help me out?

Oh come on, you know that this was a terrorist attack by a muslim extremist. That doesn't cancel out other problems. But islamic-terrorism is a much bigger problem than deranged people. You are being dishonest if you refuse to see difference.

[AE Bravo]

Oh come on, you know that this was a terrorist attack by a muslim extremist. That doesn't cancel out other problems. But islamic-terrorism is a much bigger problem than deranged people. You are being dishonest if you refuse to see difference.

Yes you'd like that wouldn't you, only problem is that it isn't. Read the letter by the father at Gawker before they take it down.

[Fragony]

Yes you'd like that wouldn't you, only problem is that it isn't. Read the letter by the father at Gawker before they take it down.

yeah I really like this, love pointing fingers. 50 innocent dead people don't bother me if it suits my anti-muslim agenda

Just because you would never do such a thing doesn't mean that there is no such a thing as islamic terrorism.

[CrossLOPER]

there is no such a thing as islamic terrorism.

The point is that pretty much any nutcake can get a gun, go into a public area, and have about ten minutes to absolutely go nuts before the first wave of police arrive. They can proclaim allegiance to Mickey Mouse, the bodies will still be there.

In a number of western countries that are more used to peace than war, outside war and inside living memory (hence talking about post-WW1), the biggest massacres have been perpetrated by Islamist terrorists. AFAIK they hold the record in the UK, US, France and Spain. In the UK, incidents with smaller body counts led to the restriction of firearms. They were spaced a decade apart, yet they and their signature laws are still remembered. In 2005, the 7/7 attack and another similar attack with the same MO were spaced a few weeks apart. The first killed 50+, while we were lucky the devices in the second attack malfunctioned. There was one in Scotland around the same time as well. And those are the ones that are publicly known and that I can remember offhand. NB. I've discounted the ones with melee weapons, as they don't involve the same kind of sudden mass killing as the other examples.

Post statistics.

[Pannonian]

The point is that pretty much any nutcake can get a gun, go into a public area, and have about ten minutes to absolutely go nuts before the first wave of police arrive. They can proclaim allegiance to Mickey Mouse, the bodies will still be there.

Post statistics.

9/11 was the biggest ever terrorist attack in the US, with a body count of 2000+.
7/7 was the biggest ever terrorist attack in the UK, with 50+ dead.
The Madrid train bombing in 2004 was the biggest ever terrorist attack in Spain with 100+ dead.
I don't know of any comparable size terrorist attack in France, but the 2015 Paris attack produced 100+ dead.

Are those stats wrong? Did I miss any bigger attacks than those listed?

[AE Bravo]

yeah I really like this, love pointing fingers. 50 innocent dead people don't bother me if it suits my anti-muslim agenda

Just because you would never do such a thing doesn't mean that there is no such a thing as islamic terrorism.

He's a self-hating bigot who was apparently a closet gay man with a profile in a gay dating app. Yet, he's still an "islamic terrorist" to you because he says so, even though his own father refutes that.

If every troubled shithead that comes from a Muslim family does something, and enables you to attribute the whole thing to your Islam boogeyman fantasy than I can't stop your obsession with strangling Islam rather than finding a proper solution.

Good luck, keep on fighting the good fight!

[Fragony]

He's a self-hating bigot who was apparently a closet gay man with a profile in a gay dating app. Yet, he's still an "islamic terrorist" to you because he says so, even though his own father refutes that.

If every troubled shithead that comes from a Muslim family does something, and enables you to attribute the whole thing to your Islam boogeyman fantasy than I can't stop your obsession with strangling Islam rather than finding a proper solution.

Good luck, keep on fighting the good fight!

At least he isn't the only one who's in denial.

Gay sites/bars are a recruiting place for IS by the way, to show your worth.

[Fragony]

He's a self-hating bigot who was apparently a closet gay man with a profile in a gay dating app. Yet, he's still an "islamic terrorist" to you because he says so, even though his own father refutes that.

If every troubled shithead that comes from a Muslim family does something, and enables you to attribute the whole thing to your Islam boogeyman fantasy than I can't stop your obsession with strangling Islam rather than finding a proper solution.

Good luck, keep on fighting the good fight!

In hindsight now that more is clear, you were probably right

[Slyspy]

But islamic-terrorism is a much bigger problem than deranged people.

Are you sure about that?

[Pannonian]

Are you sure about that?

In a number of western countries that are more used to peace than war, outside war and inside living memory (hence talking about post-WW1), the biggest massacres have been perpetrated by Islamist terrorists. AFAIK they hold the record in the UK, US, France and Spain. In the UK, incidents with smaller body counts led to the restriction of firearms. They were spaced a decade apart, yet they and their signature laws are still remembered. In 2005, the 7/7 attack and another similar attack with the same MO were spaced a few weeks apart. The first killed 50+, while we were lucky the devices in the second attack malfunctioned. There was one in Scotland around the same time as well. And those are the ones that are publicly known and that I can remember offhand. NB. I've discounted the ones with melee weapons, as they don't involve the same kind of sudden mass killing as the other examples.