Ukraine Thread

[Seamus Fermanagh]

As far as I can tell, there is still nobody aside from Ukraine willing to go to the mat -- read bleed a lot -- to counteract Russia's annexation of these territories. As Ukraine lacks the capability to do much aside from preserve what it has preserved thus far, this is more or less fait accompli at this point. Real politik says move on and accept it. Like it or not, legal or not, I am pretty sure that this is a done deal.

[Gilrandir]

As far as I can tell, there is still nobody aside from Ukraine willing to go to the mat -- read bleed a lot -- to counteract Russia's annexation of these territories. As Ukraine lacks the capability to do much aside from preserve what it has preserved thus far, this is more or less fait accompli at this point. Real politik says move on and accept it. Like it or not, legal or not, I am pretty sure that this is a done deal.

It seems that it is true in respect of Crimea (although the signs of dissatisfaction at the failed expectations of those who welcomed Russia there are more and more evident). But believe it or not, Russia is anxious now to squeeze the occupied Donbas into Ukraine. First of all, it is finding it increasingly hard to sustain the social spheres of DPR and LPR. Second of all, if the occupied territories return on Putin's conditions, it will allow him to exercise control over whole Ukraine. It is Ukraine now that prevaricates and doesn't want to burden itself with the ruined areas rampant with a significant percentage of hostile population whose minds are being poisoned by RT. Popular sentiment in Ukraine is also far from being absolutely in favor of returning DPR and LPR. For the time being this stalemate seems advantageous for Ukraine hoping to outlast Putin's regime. However feeble this hope may seem, we should remember that about 30 years ago noboby would have ever thought that the USSR is doomed. And yet its collapse came about.

[Pannonian]

It seems that it is true in respect of Crimea (although the signs of dissatisfaction at the failed expectations of those who welcomed Russia there are more and more evident). But believe it or not, Russia is anxious now to squeeze the occupied Donbas into Ukraine. First of all, it is finding it increasingly hard to sustain the social spheres of DPR and LPR. Second of all, if the occupied territories return on Putin's conditions, it will allow him to exercise control over whole Ukraine. It is Ukraine now that prevaricates and doesn't want to burden itself with the ruined areas rampant with a significant percentage of hostile population whose minds are being poisoned by RT. Popular sentiment in Ukraine is also far from being absolutely in favor of returning DPR and LPR. For the time being this stalemate seems advantageous for Ukraine hoping to outlast Putin's regime. However feeble this hope may seem, we should remember that about 30 years ago noboby would have ever thought that the USSR is doomed. And yet its collapse came about.

Russia's capabilities were stretched for a while. However, its troops should be returning from their recent deployment in France.

[Gilrandir]

Russia's capabilities were stretched for a while. However, its troops should be returning from their recent deployment in France.

It's not about troops which Russia has in plenty. It's about them moneys.

[Gilrandir]

Pretty soon Russian soldiers (and fans) will be able to teleport to any place on Earth:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...n-in-20-years/

[Lizardo]

Pretty soon Russian soldiers (and fans) will be able to teleport to any place on Earth:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...n-in-20-years/

Well with anything russian made you know it's going to reliable. You wouldn't want a stray bodypart landing in the cannibal infested jungles of PNG.

[Gilrandir]

You wouldn't want a stray bodypart landing in the cannibal infested jungles of PNG.

I wouldn't, the cannibals would.