Brexit Thread

**Beskar** · 06-26-2016, 17:26

Daniel Hannan - Immigration won't be cut.

Faisal Islam, Sky News Journalist, Says Pro-Brexit MP Told Him: ""there is no plan. Leave campaign don't have a post Brexit plan, Number 10 should have had one"

**Greyblades** · 06-26-2016, 17:30

Originally Posted by Beskar

Daniel Hannan - Immigration won't be cut.

Daniel Hannon lost his job, and now isnt getting another in westminster.

Faisal Islam, Sky News Journalist, Says Pro-Brexit MP Told Him: ""there is no plan. Leave campaign don't have a post Brexit plan, Number 10 should have had one"

No duh leave doesnt have a post brexit plan, it's entire structure meant it was to die upon victory and had no obligation to be agreed on the aftermath. Each person who wanted to leaver has his own idea on what to do next, UK democracy will see which one wins out.

**Beskar** · 06-26-2016, 17:34

There is a lot of general upset with the leave campaign from many "Out" voters after recent things in the news about all the lies and scandals which are now showing up.

Quoting from someone who voted Out: "I am really upset, these people such be held to account, I voted in good faith with what I was being told, and turns out they lied about it all"

In other news, increase in racist incidents post-brexit.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ales?CMP=fb_gu

**Fragony** · 06-26-2016, 17:41

Originally Posted by Beskar

There is a lot of general upset with the leave campaign from many "Out" voters after recent things in the news about all the lies and scandals which are now showing up.

Quoting from someone who voted Out: "I am really upset, these people such be held to account, I voted in good faith with what I was being told, and turns out they lied about it all"

Of course there are lies. It's a direction not a solution that fixes everything, those who think it was are really dumb. But the direction is good imho

**AntiDamascus** · 06-26-2016, 18:05

That's a lovely way of thinking. Yea we lied, but it was to get us to this point, now start fixing the thing we caused.

**Greyblades** · 06-26-2016, 18:15

Damascus: My thinking is "these idiots jumped on my bandwagon and lied while being pulled along by us, your side lied back harder, had public sympathy for the murder of a politician, had support from all sides, and you still lost, because my side's underlying arguments and convictions were stronger"

**Husar** · 06-26-2016, 18:32

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Damascus: My thinking is "these idiots jumped on my bandwagon and lied while being pulled along by us, your side lied back harder, had public sympathy for the murder of a politician, had support from all sides, and you still lost, because my side's ~~underlying arguments and convictions~~ lies were stronger"

Corrected.
You can thank me later.

There are also stories of people who voted leave to spite politicians and because they thought remain would win anyway. As an outsider I have to say it's a great show of political incompetence.

Which makes all the praise of the great democratic traditions of Britain even more hilarious of course.

**Greyblades** · 06-26-2016, 18:25

In other words, something irrevocable whose effects will last for decades does not and should not have a manifesto against which its promises can be gauged.

Or in other words the greatest question of the day was answered by a referendum and what happens next is up to us. Promise and manifeso are moot because this isnt an election; no one man or group is being given power and thus has to live up to promises they made. It was not an issue of "what i will do for you" it was "which option do you like better". If you actually decided based on the promised of the leave you are no less foolish than if you decided on the promise of the remain, for their promises were no less baseless.

**Pannonian** · 06-26-2016, 18:32

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Or in other words the greatest question of the day was answered by a referendum and what happens next is up to us. Promise and manifeso are moot because this isnt an election; no one man or group is being given power and thus has to live up to promises they made. It was not an issue of "what i will do for you" it was "which option do you like better". If you actually decided based on the promised of the leave you are no less foolish than if you decided on the promise of the remain, for their promises were no less baseless.

And there I was thinking that I was living the promises of the remain camp.

**Pannonian** · 06-26-2016, 18:13

Originally Posted by Greyblades

No duh leave doesnt have a post brexit plan, it's entire structure meant it was to die upon victory and had no obligation to be agreed on the aftermath. Each person who wanted to leaver has his own idea on what to do next, UK democracy will see which one wins out.

In other words, something irrevocable whose effects will last for decades does not and should not have a manifesto against which its promises can be gauged.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Of course there are lies. It's a direction not a solution that fixes everything, those who think it was are really dumb. But the direction is good imho

And a good thing there isn't an actionable manifesto, as lies to get people to vote to this point are an acceptable way of conning really dumb people into voting for this. But the direction is good, so the ends justify the means.