Wow, so little activity

[fallen851]

Total Warhammer is the best TW title in my opinion. The game is polished, runs well, looks great, add significantly strategy to battles and have very few bugs. That being said, it has some serious problems that keep it from being a great game, but it is still a very good one.

As easytarget mentioned though, other genres have improved by leaps and bounds though and that is dealing damage to the TW player base. You can only do the hammer and anvil in TW so many times against an incompetent AI before you get bored and want to play a multiplayer game that has some semblance of balance, which TW has never offered.

But this forum is dead because Rome 2 killed it. It was and is a terrible game.

[Vuk]

Total Warhammer is the best TW title in my opinion. The game is polished, runs well, looks great, add significantly strategy to battles and have very few bugs. That being said, it has some serious problems that keep it from being a great game, but it is still a very good one.

As easytarget mentioned though, other genres have improved by leaps and bounds though and that is dealing damage to the TW player base. You can only do the hammer and anvil in TW so many times against an incompetent AI before you get bored and want to play a multiplayer game that has some semblance of balance, which TW has never offered.

But this forum is dead because Rome 2 killed it. It was and is a terrible game.

Agreed about Rome 2. They really dropped the ball on that.

[Slaists]

An indicator for how broad the serious gamer base is can be found in the stats page on steam achievements (for Rome 2 in particular); in particular the part that deals with number of campaigns completed; and the number of campaigns completed on the hardest difficulty settings. To cut to the chase, the stats are not encouraging. Most Rome 2 owners have not completed a single campaign (note, that, in Rome 2, you can get the achievement by completing just the short campaign requirements). The number of people who have completed a legendary campaign is less than 1% (I believe, it was significantly less than 1% but have not checked that page in more than a year).

Also, there used to be a stat for the number of people who complete more than 100 turns (or something like it). The stat for this was less than 50% when I last looked.

[Frazzle-G]

An indicator for how broad the serious gamer base is can be found in the stats page on steam achievements (for Rome 2 in particular); in particular the part that deals with number of campaigns completed; and the number of campaigns completed on the hardest difficulty settings. To cut to the chase, the stats are not encouraging. Most Rome 2 owners have not completed a single campaign (note, that, in Rome 2, you can get the achievement by completing just the short campaign requirements). The number of people who have completed a legendary campaign is less than 1% (I believe, it was significantly less than 1% but have not checked that page in more than a year).

Also, there used to be a stat for the number of people who complete more than 100 turns (or something like it). The stat for this was less than 50% when I last looked.

I must admit that I never played Rome 2, but I have heard mainly negative things about it, but what you have said there I never expected to hear, especially how few people had completed 100 turns.

[Slaists]

I must admit that I never played Rome 2, but I have heard mainly negative things about it, but what you have said there I never expected to hear, especially how few people had completed 100 turns.

Those stats are on par with stats for other TW games (and probably other games too). Hard-core players are a minority among the horde of regular "buyers". Majority just buy a game, give it a spin for a few days and move on to the next thing. That is the explanation why the games are designed to have an engaging "opening" and then, boring mid and late-game. Most of the developer time is spent on those starting turns that majority of buyers will see.

Actually, I found the current achievement page. I was overly optimistic in my recollection:

http://steamcommunity.com/stats/214950/achievements

70% of the buyers have completed 1 h of gameplay (implying 30% did not)

20 campaign turns have been completed by about 50% of the game owners (implying 50% did not get that far)

100 campaign turns have been completed only by 36% of the game owners...

Winning a military campaign (any difficulty), seems to be the most popular approach (to winning), is stated to have been achieved by around 11% of the game owners.

Completed a campaign on Hard Difficulty - 4.2%.

Completed a campaign on Very Hard Difficulty - 2.2%.

Completed a campaign on Legendary Difficulty - 1.1%.

P.S. I purposely picked a TW game that has been out for a while, so has both, the initial crowd and late-buyers accounted for.

[Frazzle-G]

I knew that many people would buy it just for a spin, but that many! Honestly I'm both surprised and almost a little disappointed. I have never disagreed with CAs dlc policy for tww but this makes me even sympathetic to their cause, it seems that they really have to work super hard just to get people to play the game, let alone buy it.

[Slaists]

I knew that many people would buy it just for a spin, but that many! Honestly I'm both surprised and almost a little disappointed. I have never disagreed with CAs dlc policy for tww but this makes me even sympathetic to their cause, it seems that they really have to work super hard just to get people to play the game, let alone buy it.

It's rather the other way around: to optimize efforts, CA just needs to focus their attention on the starting 100 turns (for each faction) or even less because the majority of buyers won't bother playing farther anyway.

[lars573]

I must admit that I never played Rome 2, but I have heard mainly negative things about it, but what you have said there I never expected to hear, especially how few people had completed 100 turns.

Hi I've been playing Total war since 2002, I've won a little more than a dozen campaigns in that time. I'm talking all TW games published (minus Napoleon, Fall of the Samurai, and Warhammer). It's such a slog I rarely bother to finish. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy it, it's just that even 100 turns is a lot once you get going.

[Slaists]

Hi I've been playing Total war since 2002, I've won a little more than a dozen campaigns in that time. I'm talking all TW games published (minus Napoleon, Fall of the Samurai, and Warhammer). It's such a slog I rarely bother to finish. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy it, it's just that even 100 turns is a lot once you get going.

Yes, but you probably have way more than 100 turns logged with each of the games. That stat (of 100 turns) is across all factions (for the respective game). Also, nowadays (with the lastest titles), it is much easier to get a campaign completed achievement since also minor victories count.

[lars573]

And you'd be quite wrong. I can get bored after as little as 50 turns.