Futuramafia [Concluded]

[CrimsonFox]

this site is actually peculiar in that the bulk of what i'm seeing is just votes without a lot of text.

don't get me wrong. i don't dislike that. on other sites i see so many people sherlockholmesing the thread so much based on nothing that it's annoying.

i voted stork mainly based on meta because of rick and morty mainly.

and i really will never ever shake the feeling that he is a wolf until he is clear.

other than that i was kinda waiting for more people to say stuff before forming any sort of real read

[Visor]

this site is actually peculiar in that the bulk of what i'm seeing is just votes without a lot of text.

don't get me wrong. i don't dislike that. on other sites i see so many people sherlockholmesing the thread so much based on nothing that it's annoying.

i voted stork mainly based on meta because of rick and morty mainly.

and i really will never ever shake the feeling that he is a wolf until he is clear.

other than that i was kinda waiting for more people to say stuff before forming any sort of real read

we are a fairly casual site in that we start slow and don't expect a huge amount

stork has some interesting tonal qualities to his game, but he probably needs to post more for any sort of real read

[seireikhaan]

this site is actually peculiar in that the bulk of what i'm seeing is just votes without a lot of text.

don't get me wrong. i don't dislike that. on other sites i see so many people sherlockholmesing the thread so much based on nothing that it's annoying.

i voted stork mainly based on meta because of rick and morty mainly.

and i really will never ever shake the feeling that he is a wolf until he is clear.

other than that i was kinda waiting for more people to say stuff before forming any sort of real read

Okay, what the heck, we got 5 days of posting and people talking about getting reads and feelings based on day 1? This aint daddy's old GR, it seems.

Okay, I'm a bit out of the loop, and there's other offenders doing similar things but. How the heck do you have a wolf feeling on anyone? It's day 1. Practically nothing has happened. Is this a meta thing that went over my head?

[CrimsonFox]

Okay, what the heck, we got 5 days of posting and people talking about getting reads and feelings based on day 1? This aint daddy's old GR, it seems.

Okay, I'm a bit out of the loop, and there's other offenders doing similar things but. How the heck do you have a wolf feeling on anyone? It's day 1. Practically nothing has happened. Is this a meta thing that went over my head?

i believe that is what i just said.
when in fact I was accused of leaving my first vote on stork based on nothing...well that much is true but it was because i just hadn't formed any opinions yet.

don't really like this whining really

[seireikhaan]

i believe that is what i just said.
when in fact I was accused of leaving my first vote on stork based on nothing...well that much is true but it was because i just hadn't formed any opinions yet.

don't really like this whining really

Vote: CrimsonFox

I get off work and and am trying to get some clarifying on 5 pages of posting that mostly has gone over my head and suddenly I'm a whiner? Take your spite vote.

[CrimsonFox]

Vote: CrimsonFox

I get off work and and am trying to get some clarifying on 5 pages of posting that mostly has gone over my head and suddenly I'm a whiner? Take your spite vote.

YUM!

[Visor]

i think khaan is town

[CrimsonFox]

i think khaan is town

don't you mean KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

[Winston Hughes]

i think khaan is town

[Visor]

Okay, what the heck, we got 5 days of posting and people talking about getting reads and feelings based on day 1? This aint daddy's old GR, it seems.

Okay, I'm a bit out of the loop, and there's other offenders doing similar things but. How the heck do you have a wolf feeling on anyone? It's day 1. Practically nothing has happened. Is this a meta thing that went over my head?

some people read off mindset and tone, others read off results and and confirmed information, inferences from that

i don't think it is anything to be concerned about

[Askthepizzaguy]

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some people read off mindset and tone, others read off results and and confirmed information, inferences from that

i don't think it is anything to be concerned about

i think khaan is town

Visor is dead and town, pizza. Again forgetting to exclude all the dead people.

Winston reacts to that town lean. Winston is town, just being thorough.

wanton lust to tank the lynch for personal reasons seems suboptimal

if you are a town and this is your thought, colour me impressed.

I am failing to understand why the bolded means you would vote against your read.

You have the read, you gave the read, but it seems like you don't care about it?

Stork critiques khaan, seems to imply in the first quote a scum read (bolded).

End of Day One

Khaan going to go out on a limb and suggest is town based on the spite vote. I don't think that'd be characteristic of his scum style.

When was the last time you were scum in a game, @khaan?

Spite is spite. I've done that as scum too, it's just something that I don't bother faking. I guess khaan really was irritated with Fox, so it wasn't something he needed to fake. Shouldn't have given him the town lean for it.

Saw a couple of things I wanted to address:

The bolded part is really bizarre to me. It almost looks like you're saying: my intuition tells me he's town, but if he was a really good wolf my intuition would be wrong, so I'm going to vote for him? Is that accurate? If so this is a new and exciting level of paranoia.

Pelican and khaan talking about Monty. Khaan, I think accurately, giving Monty a pass for being himself, couldn't be bothered to find an excuse to find Monty scummy. Or anyone else, really. Pelican suggesting Monty's normal self is scummy. I can't disagree more here.

Also, it would be good if Khaan and Crimson ignore each other for the rest of the phase.

Staying neutral.

aye, I agree. I don't know why crimson is reacting so strongly like that but its not helping.

Better to focus elsewhere.

Do you have any thoughts on scum/town Atheotes?

Generalissimo Visor Slasho is still dead, pizza.

Khaan looks townish, his exasperation with offsiters changing the metal seems genuine, and I tend to agree that his spite vote is a town tell.

Novice kinda repeating what I said about khaan, just rephrasing it.

I have a pet theory that scum is more likely to engineer a push on the "disruptive" players (read: fox) because it appears to be a good town move on the surface. This was you and khaan, and khaan's acting like khaan.

Add that to your last page or two which just seems forced and unnatural.

Didn't like this post.
Follow up from WH:

This part just seems to be you forcing me into a little box you created in advance. You're jumping from me voting Crimson for his claim to me pushing him for being disruptive simply to fit your theory.

There's a scum between WH and GH in this game, and it isn't Winston Huges. Gotta iso GH first before anyone else.

Post-mortem:

Crimson's been suspicious of khaan for a while now (my theory re: people on the "disruptive" player more likely to be mafia turned out to be right, I just went after the wrong person), so I'd put money on that being who killed him. As far as Visor, note that he can't talk after death. I'm guessing he got scanned by the mafia N1 and it got followed up with an N2 nightkill.

p sure khaan's posts clear crimson of being on the same team

notes:

against monty's lynch

suspicious of pizza

doesn't know why people are suspicion me

Don't like these commentary posts from Cuth. Just saying what's happening or doesn't reveal any new insights.

All Pizza D2 content is between page 36 and 45.

Look at how he talks about Visor. Look at he interacts with Khaan.

I'm not overthinking this, it's straight-up scumtell.

Monty being town doesn't prevent Monty from being wrong.

So, to be perfectly clear: At the start of the game, you technically had a vig kill, but not a functional vig kill, so it wouldn't actually kill anyone when you tried to kill them, and that's why you killed nobody on night one.

On day two or night two, Riedquat used an ability on you, which activated your vig kill, and night two you killed khaan.

How exactly does that work, anyway? Did you even know if you would be able to kill khaan if you tried?

Choxorn pretty interested in the vig claim, can't imagine that should be anyone's priority after khaan died.

I reread, and Stork was not involved with the Crimson minipush, so my Winston town tell stands. The discussion segued into Stork discussing TDs with Cuthilius.

The next tally after Khaan parking on Crimson:

Ok, apparently BSmith joined, or was already voting Crimson. El Barto also approved of the Crimson vote.

Still, I think Crimson was unlynchable, so scum were probably not trying to save Monty. Slight town tell on Monty, Khaan would in principle not park on someone unlynchable if Monty was in danger, but the lynch was quite distant and the wagons were small.

Agree with novice's reasoning here about Monty.

Things I'm thinking now:
1) Visor is dead, gjge. Was about as interesting and insightful this game as the character he played, too. Really left a firm mark on my memory banks, along with all the radical positions BSmith took, and the high level of content from El Spamo. Seriously, townies need to do a better job existing enough for me to even take notice of them.
2) Stork can be scum here quite easily, need to prioritize his iso and see if I disagree with current consensus.
3) Gotta iso Generalhankerchief. Every time I bump into his posts they're unimpressive as hell.
4) Need another look at Cuthillius, I'm about 50/50 on him.
5) Choxorn is pretty meh.

Not going to try to derail the Stork train, but if people have the time, I'd appreciate some help isoing the above names that aren't dead yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Things I'm thinking now:
1) Visor is dead, gjge. Was about as interesting and insightful this game as the character he played, too. Really left a firm mark on my memory banks, along with all the radical positions BSmith took, and the high level of content from El Spamo. Seriously, townies need to do a better job existing enough for me to even take notice of them.
2) Stork can be scum here quite easily, need to prioritize his iso and see if I disagree with current consensus.
3) Gotta iso Generalhankerchief. Every time I bump into his posts they're unimpressive as hell.
4) Need another look at Cuthillius, I'm about 50/50 on him.
5) Choxorn is pretty meh.

Not going to try to derail the Stork train, but if people have the time, I'd appreciate some help isoing the above names that aren't dead yet.

No scum hunting here, Pelican?

It's just 4 names. No big whoop.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Instead of impotently tilting at guy who will always resolve this game like a couple of nutters, how about either or both of you iso GeneralHankerchief or Cuth or choxorn or anyone. Or at least read my posts or the posts in the thread before spouting off.

[Montmorency]

It's just 4 names.

are they "town/unknown/unknown/town"?

[Askthepizzaguy]

are they "town/unknown/unknown/town"?

If there's 3 scums then yeah, they are, by definition. Sorry I don't have it nailed down to the exact 2 or 3 remaining.

Most of the rest of the thread has been villagery. Who am I overlooking?

[Stork]

No scum hunting here, Pelican?

It's just 4 names. No big whoop.

well, there is no scum hunting there

you gave a read on a dead person

you hedged a read on me

you hedged a read on gh

you hedged a read on cuth

you gave a read on chox

[Askthepizzaguy]

well, there is no scum hunting there

you gave a read on a dead person

you hedged a read on me

you hedged a read on gh

you hedged a read on cuth

you gave a read on chox

Well, if we're just going to straight up lie, sure.

[Pelican]

No scum hunting here, Pelican?

It's just 4 names. No big whoop.

And you choose to go with a weak vote on Chox and tilt like crazy at the guy who's already the leading bandwagon by a wide margin. Let's also not forget about yesterday where you ran around voting for all the lead wagons, two of which were just as lazy as Choxorn.

I'm familiar enough with you as a player that I know you can spout off fairly solid-looking analysis at a whim no matter what side you're on, but your actions demonstrate a lack of investment in who actually gets lynched, or in exposing your supposed targets as wolves. If you want to get people to look at someone besides you and Stork, why do you come into the thread and focus on piling evidence on the dominant Stork wagon? How often are your words going to have to be at odds with your actions before this group of players lynches you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Khaan's iso is worthless. He talks to or about CrimsonFox in almost all of his posts, and mentions 3 other players once in a fairly neutral way.

Quite spartan. But ISO just khaan, is not the approach to take. Gotta flip it and look for the people who mentioned khaan and how.