Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Stork]

I realised spaceman was likely town when he got lynched

funny how that goes hehe

[Visor]

im just clickin buttons friends

[novice]

On a general note, I'm caught up and I really find El Barto and CrimsonFox to be very entertaining.

Pelican is town

I also liked his post.

Agreed, unless you and cuthillius are mafia together, in which case I would look at him next because of how the reads have lined up.

Can you ever state something without a qualification?

what do you mean by extremely experienced

how many posts do you have on average per phase at your home forum

I've played about 40 games. Each phase averages let's say 150 posts. I wouldn't call it extremely experienced, but it is compared to Dp101.
How long is yours?

[Murska]

I've been somewhat busy and seen nothing terribly commentible in my quick scans of the thread. I agree looking into coasting wolves is good, but real inactivity in my biased opinion is more important if the behaviour persists past day one.

I don't like cfd on people who aren't around to claim or defend at day end.

[novice]

cfd?

[BSmith]

Chinese Fire Drill.

More comments from me when I can get some coffee in by bloodstream.

[Murska]

Chinese fire drill - rapid last moment switch of lynch targets.

[BSmith]

A few thoughts, not necessarily in any logical order.

- I see that this thread is going to be one that moves fast. This will make it harder for me to keep up, fwiw.

- I am old. Well, not old in the grandpa sense, but old for an internet forum. I have three elementary aged kids, a wife, a house and a full time job. I normally post from work, but I am leading a huge project that has a major milestone in four weeks. Bottom line is that I will not be online all that much.

- Experience in Mafia has nothing to do with how many posts you have in a game. It has everything to do with the number of games played and your winning percentages. Since we are all talking about this I have played 72 games over 5 years at CFC with a .563 winning average. I have probably played two dozen or so games here on the Org.

- Along with the above point: Talk is cheap. Actions are where the value is. A player with a single post in a phase could have way more impact to the game than one with 50 posts. Good players will not show themselves by words alone. It is their actions that will expose them.

- On D1 everyone is scum. Unless you are a mason, which I am, but not in this game.

Enough theory, let’s get to the game:

- Al will always vote for me when he has the chance, especially on D1. I should really remember that and just begin to vote him too. It would save on trying to be cute with D1 votes.

- Barto is being Barto. Generally when he is scummy he is town, but he is a good enough of a player that you never really know.

- Visor is quite prone to absolute solid pronouncements of guilt or innocence that literally have nothing behind them and are always subject to change – especially on D1.

- My D1 vote was cute, but in a semi-serious kind of way. It was a joke vote for the poster who posted above me, yet it also kinda fit the narrative of the thread at the time. CrimsonFox was also screaming for more pressure, so I obliged.

- CrimsonFox is quite jumpy. I don’t know if this is his meta, but it certainly doesn’t lead me to want to change my vote (had I been online that is).

- His vig claim is also quite suspicious. Even in a fast paced game that can change at a moment, the timing of his claim is all off. The momentum at the time was not in his direction, but rather away from him. This is not the time to claim vig, as all it will do is put a big target on his back (assuming it is true) and draw away any doctor that might be out there. Said doctor could possibly be caught out by a tracker/watcher drawn to the attention like a moth to a flame. It is also something that is terribly hard to prove in thread, especially in a game like this where we can’t talk privately. It just seems like a massive flinch to me. Remember, actions speak louder than words. This one post by him is worth more than the rest of his numerous posts this phase.

- What was even the case on my wagon?

- It is also amazing how fast my wagon dissolved, and how very little commentary has been had on the subject since spaceman’s reveal, even though a lot of other attention has been given to the other wagons.

[Dp101]

First of all, I would like to apologise for my terrible behaviour and posting pre and post lynch. It was my first lynch time as villager, and I panicked when I realised that I had no idea what was going on and who was mafia. I'm really sorry for clogging up the thread with pointless ideas that were going nowhere and letting my own internal thoughts unrelated to the current game state flood into the thread. Feel free to disregard every post I made in the last 14 hours, because they are all stupid and useless. That said, I still stand by one thing I said.

How exactly can mafia prevent this if a few villagers manage to band together, and it's coming out of nowhere? I generally approve of day one ambushes like this, it's almost the only way to lynch scum on day one. I wouldn't have picked Spaceman as the target, but e.g. a GeneralHankerchief ambush would have been great.

Personally, I think the concept of a few villagers all deciding out of nowhere to simultaneously lynch someone, and have that person be mafia, is insanely unlikely. Your hypothesis that this was an ambush seems to imply that this was something more than random chance, and I see no way that this wasn't. Which is more likely, a bunch of completely independent villagers all happen to have the same unexplainable lean on the same person, and the mafia has no hope of stopping it, or mafia saw someone with a couple of votes on them and bussed them out of nowhere to completely alter the lynch. While there is no way everyone on the spaceman wagon were mafia, there was definitely at least 2 mafia on that train.

I'm going to take a break from the game for a bit, try and clear my thoughts. I might post a reads list closer to deadline.

[Montmorency]

Yes, Pizza once lynched me as his scum buddy on D1 with no reveals, and shockingly proceeded to solo the game.

Chinese fire drill - rapid last moment switch of lynch targets.

Oh gimme a break.

[Murska]

In my experience, admittedly in a different environment than this, mafia don't tend to gather and do concentrated sudden inexplicable pushes to lynch people on day one or any other early day unless there's some sort of substantial threat to their own, and not very ofte even then.

[Montmorency]

I agree.

[Cuthillius]

I'm also doubting visor after his IMO bad reads. I would have trusted Stork at that point but I wouldn't have followed him on to Spaceman.


Al voting El Barto here and then going back to his BSmith vote when he notices BSmith is lynchable seems like plausible town behaviour. Just mentioning it since we have so little on Al so far.


And where, pray tell, was the reasoning on Spaceman?

his multiquote was a bit constructed-feeling

[Dp101]

Ok, if meta here doesn't support it, I will drop my accusations of the mafia jumping on spaceman. Still think it was a terrible idea for a lynch.

[Cuthillius]

Ok, if meta here doesn't support it, I will drop my accusations of the mafia jumping on spaceman. Still think it was a terrible idea for a lynch.

Who would you have preferred, in retrospect?

[Dp101]

Who would you have preferred, in retrospect?

I think we had no good choices. Maybe the general, as Novice said.

[Stork]

if you think a wolf is claiming vig day 1 you are braindead imo

[Stork]

bsmith the entirety of your long post is garbage of the enth order

you think actions speak louder than words, but within all the words you wrote, you literally don't post a single read of any actual consequence or substance

[BSmith]

if you think a wolf is claiming vig day 1 you are braindead imo

I assume this was in reference to my post?

bsmith the entirety of your long post is garbage of the enth order

you think actions speak louder than words, but within all the words you wrote, you literally don't post a single read of any actual consequence or substance

Glad you liked it.

My intention wasn’t really to provide specific reads in that post, with the exception of my thoughts on CrimsonFox and why I was voting for him. There are a lot of new players here and a little perspective on players I have some experience with could help the discussion – or at least provide some additional perspective to the less exposed. As with anything, those perspectives are my opinions and should be taken with a grain of salt.

It is night 1. There really are no actions to be taken in the thread, outside of role claiming – which I am not planning on doing. It’s going to be all talk until we can start voting again and get reads on the actions that are happening tonight. Likewise, there is no basis for solid reads at this point either. We still don’t have enough information.

I doubt we have multiple scum on any one wagon. I think it is just as likely that the spaceman wagon had one scummer on it as having none. But all of this is conjecture until we have more vote tallies and lynch/night results.

Fox claiming is a quandary either way. I think it was suboptimal play as either a wolf or a villager. I have no real way of verifying that the claim is even legit. I have seen both SK and mafia make this claim – to varying levels of success – to prolong their time in the thread. If he is a wolf and if he really thought that he was about to get lynched, then it would make sense to make a claim like this to prolong his time in the game. Kick that can down the road and see if he can’t get out of the jam later. Mafia is a team game as well, so even if it means he gets killed later, it would still be beneficial to the team for him to stick around even one or two more phases. A claim like this could do exactly that, especially given the prevailing sentiment that a wolf would be braindead to make this kind of claim.

[Stork]

if i am a village vig i just shoot him

i agree he could be a noot or something though

don't think he is ever mafia because no mafia gets run up in close wagons like that, when presumably they could have just moved the wagons to one of the other players, and then claims something which is always a ticking clock like that

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[Montmorency]

because no mafia gets run up in close wagons like that, when presumably they could have just moved the wagons to one of the other players

This is straight-up false and poorly conceived.

[Stork]

This is straight-up false and poorly conceived.

thats kinda out of context

you have to take the whole point, not just that bit.

[Montmorency]

That's most of your post, but maybe I missed some understanding. What is "noot"?

[BSmith]

if i am a village vig i just shoot him

True, assuming that there is a village vig. It also assumes there is no mechanism the scum have to prevent a night kill. Normal scum teams won’t generally have this, but this is a Zack game. Roles also have “solid cover PMs where appropriate” so this could be a claim of a cover role, and not his actual role.

What would be helpful to all this is if @CrimsonFox is able to be online at the update time. He should post who he sent orders to kill immediately before the deadline. This way we can verify who his target was and see how that translates in the write-up, yet not give any time for others to react to the identification of his target before orders lock. This is the only way I can think of that he can prove his claim – and that would likely only be to prove that he has a killing ability, not necessarily that he is town aligned.

[Montmorency]

What would be helpful to all this is if @CrimsonFox is able to be online at the update time. He should post who he sent orders to kill immediately before the deadline. This way we can verify who his target was and see how that translates in the write-up, yet not give any time for others to react to the identification of his target before orders lock. This is the only way I can think of that he can prove his claim – and that would likely only be to prove that he has a killing ability, not necessarily that he is town aligned.

That's dangerously close to spreadsheeting.

I like it.

[Dp101]

That's dangerously close to spreadsheeting.

I like it.

What is spreadsheeting?

[BSmith]

That's dangerously close to spreadsheeting.

I like it.

It's how I roll.

What is spreadsheeting?

Keeping detailed notes/tracking the game in a spreadsheet. It can help to solve the game through analysis. Controversial in its actual use. I tend to be too lazy to actually do it these days, but in a larger game where everyone has a role it is a quite useful tool to remember everything.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, keeping track of all the information can be a bit of a pain in the, er, ass.

[El Barto]

Shoot Stork! That way we can save my friends, and Riedquat!

Why do you want Riedquat to live? He doesn't seem that town right now.

Have you never watched Futurama, meatbag?

I disagree with. What's wrong with waiting and seeing how other players treat your town reads?

There's something off with Stork's strange uncoöperativeness. His chip needs readjustment.

How do you know?

I don't. That's why I put in that question mark. It's used to express doubt.

[Dp101]

Have you never watched Futurama, meatbag?

Guilty as charged. That's why I sorta-apologised earlier for not roleplaying.