Futuramafia [Concluded]

[CrimsonFox]

I am just inactive town.

I honestly have no real opinions on anything at this point. You guys all know how bad I am at reading people early on. Nothing said by any of the people I'm familiar with has struck me as particularly alignment indicative one way or the other. The new people I don't know well enough to be able to read. Crimson and DP are really weird but that doesn't mean they're scummy and it seems like DP's wagon is pushed only by people who haven't played with him.

And I don't see why people are voting for Monty, or Riedquat, or Pelican. At all.

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jesus,

well how about getting active

you have NO opinions at all...

that's such a #*%&*# thing to do to a game and the person that created it. YOu signed up. ****ing play

[novice]

I am voting for you based on your tone really. so there is not much active defense reqd.
Who do you think are scum/town and for what reasons.

Yeah I figured.

Not caught up, so refer to my previous reads. I'll try to summarize for you and for myself.

Monty - Not committing to anything, always maintaining deniability.
Riedquat - Not playing and Barto's preferred choice.
BSmith - Low signal to noise ratio.

Based on recent skimming:
Visor - Unfounded and IMO bad reads
Cuthilius - Up and down in scumminess but loses a TD to Stork
DP101 - All over the place, incoherent and inconsistent reasoning, moving from "too wrong to be scum" to "too scummy to be town".
Hanky - Still needs to shine.

Town reads:
Stork
Pelican
Crimson
Winston
ATPG

Gonna list the rest in a separate post and see if I have anything on them.

[novice]

Atheotes: I like that he wants to examine BSmith and that he prefers Stork over Cuth.

[CrimsonFox]

heya novice, what about khaan

why is winston a town read?

and yeah some of hanky's posts suck

[CrimsonFox]

clox is worse than ried to me

[CrimsonFox]

cuth is trending up a little.
casting a detect pocket spell

[novice]

Winston plays the way he's done as town with me previously. Admittedly I don't know his scum game.

Murska: Votes Cuth, and now Monty for not scumhunting. I like it.

[novice]

Khaan looks townish, his exasperation with offsiters changing the metal seems genuine, and I tend to agree that his spite vote is a town tell.

[CrimsonFox]

i admit i am not finding a lot of towny behavior. will have to reread things tomorrow


Crimson
Monty
DP101
Stork

Pelican
atheotes

novice

ATPG - true neutral, no idea

murksa
Cuthilius
Riedquat

Hanky
Winston
BSmith

Visor

Khaan
Choxorn

[novice]

Newyn: Soft claiming seems like bad town play but unnecessarily risky scum play since we're not really pursuing lurkers yet.

Choxorn: Reserve judgement.

[novice]

Al: So far so good, voted BSmith yesterday and is fighting an urge to vote Monty.

[novice]

Johnhugh is also not playing.
I think that's everyone. Battery level 66%.

[novice]

I feel like he's not trying to scumhunt.

This was actually referring to Cuthilius. Not obvious when ISOing. Here's the Monty vote:

Because you're not vig?

Vote: Montmorency for now, because I generally agree with Pelican.

[novice]

Quoted For Emphasis:

I'll tell you why I'm still harping on Monty: even if this is his normal style, I think it's a style that works well for wolf play and not for town. I still don't know if I could accurately state his opinion on any other player right now. Like it seemed like he thought Winston was scum, or El Barto voters maybe? But he approached it in the language of hypotheticals and generalities, which is so convenient as a wolf because later on he can wriggle out of any accusations based on his opinions. And when confronted on it, the best he can give in response is an OMGUS vote against me? Like, my concern could be nonsense but if it is that's not clearly evident because myself and other players obviously don't see the logical problems with it. So then a helpful response is to refute it so I can right my thinking and focus on better targets. Or maybe my concern is valid, in which case, while I'll acknowledge that you're entitled to play according to your style, you couldn't just oblige me and commit to an accusation?

To say that I have not made commitments in factual statements, while claiming that simple statement of "I think X is town/scum" constitutes a real commitment, is kindly put obscurantist bogus.

I really don't see how.

monty is rarely the kind of person to be a pinning down type from my experience with him

Ok? He must be a very successful scummie then?

[johnhughthom]

OOC: I think some people need to realise not everybody plays the game the way they do, and I'm pretty sure if Zack had an issue with how Choxorn, or myself, were playing, he'd send us a pm telling us to get our shiny metal asses in gear. I've read the thread, all of it, and simply haven't found anything worth commenting on that hasn't been mentioned. I could post a number of pointless posts, but that would give other players searching for the wheat in the chaff even more chaff to search through. Fair enough when a game is quiet and not much posting being done to call people out on inactivity, when it's as active as this game, I don't see the issue. Like many in the org, I see a mafia game as something I do to interact with people I enjoy talking with online, solving the game or winning are not that important, I think that throws people from other sites, where winning and solving the game are paramount. Plus when there is as much irritability and rudeness as this thread, I simply couldn't be bothered. I could also claim that rping my role would encourage little activity, but that would be disingenuous, if true.

IC: Lot's of angry rasping tongues in here, I could put them to much better use. Ah ha ah ha ha ha.

[novice]

i don't particularly understand how the latter part of this follows from the first part

seems just as possible it is v/v than v/w

Me neither

Cuth is coming off worser in the discussion with Stork. And I actually started from a position of Stork being scummy.

Cuth comes off looking townier than before IMO.

John: but nobody's discussing Winston, your target. Nothing worth saying about him?

Battery level 77% :D
Time to go shooting.

[Choxorn]

jesus,

well how about getting active

you have NO opinions at all...

I echo what john said a few posts ago. Sometimes I just have nothing to say, okay? It's early, it's hard for me to come up with anything.

that's such a #*%&*# thing to do to a game and the person that created it. YOu signed up. ****ing play

Why don't YOU quit having an attitude like this towards a bunch of the other players. I AM watching the thread, and I AM playing, even if I'm not saying as much as you'd like.

[Murska]

Okay, damn timezones. Not much was being posted, I went to sleep, wake up to having to catch up ten pages.

Well, I've caught up now. Monty's looking a little bit better than they were earlier, mostly because they haven't shown any stress about the early votes on them. Still willing to vote Cuth. Newyn's, ehh, probably not scum but I wouldn't bet my life on that yet, based on what I know of him.

Scum vibes on Visor and BSmith based on the quick reread. I don't have much concrete, since I don't have time to iso those now. I'll probably not be very active until some time after day end, unfortunately, but I'll try to use my phone to keep an eye on things regardless.

[Murska]

Unvote: Mothmorency
Vote: Visor

[Montmorency]

I really don't see how.

When staking out connections, commenting on the game course, and leaving a paper trail of interactions does not constitute commitment vis-a-vis plain read lists, then you must participate in some very vacuous games.

Reads are just padding to the real meat of the game. That's my position. Now shoo.

[johnhughthom]

John: but nobody's discussing Winston, your target. Nothing worth saying about him?

Here, and at CFC, there's a long standing tradition that Winston and I vote each other on day 1. I will also vote for him through the game if I don't have any strong feelings towards another player, I will take the vote off if it looks like there's a chance he'll be lynched and I don't see the case. A vote from me on Winston with no reasoning posted is basically "I got nothing". Lazy? Yes. Scummy? Maybe. Do I care? No.

[Visor]

aye i gotta echo the sentiment wrt attitude

this aint mu

it aint pog

deal with it

[Visor]

there is an annoying trend on some sites to just automtically read low posters scummy

you gotta search em

i rescind my choxorn read

Visor
JHT
choxorn

top towns

lets roll

[Visor]

Unvote: Mothmorency
Vote: Visor

this vote seems disingenous

i have been hard defending monty all phase and yet you switch from monty to me?

So if you don't think your read on monty holds water, why am I a suspect?

[Visor]

people with the idea that town always plays one way and scum always play another

are destined to lose most of their games

you gotta consider the situation and players and the words

lazy play like that will get you nowhere

[Newyn]

I am just inactive town.

I honestly have no real opinions on anything at this point. You guys all know how bad I am at reading people early on. Nothing said by any of the people I'm familiar with has struck me as particularly alignment indicative one way or the other. The new people I don't know well enough to be able to read. Crimson and DP are really weird but that doesn't mean they're scummy and it seems like DP's wagon is pushed only by people who haven't played with him.

And I don't see why people are voting for Monty, or Riedquat, or Pelican. At all.

This guy is lock town. Trust me.

[Murska]

this vote seems disingenous

i have been hard defending monty all phase and yet you switch from monty to me?

So if you don't think your read on monty holds water, why am I a suspect?

You're a suspect because you're not trying to find scum. Defense of town means nothing alignment wise, plus I'm not exactly convinced Monty isn't scum. He's barely edged over to neutral status.

[Visor]

You're a suspect because you're not trying to find scum. Defense of town means nothing alignment wise, plus I'm not exactly convinced Monty isn't scum. He's barely edged over to neutral status.

That's completely disingenuous and ignoring what has gone on this phase and this game in general.


Such a lazy argument.

He's town, get on with your life.

[Visor]

Not trying to find scum rofl

I suggested a bunch of wagons that nobody was going against and said my reasons against all of them

i mean you can go ahead and lie if you want and I'll go quote the posts

but you have no leg to stand on here.

[GeneralHankerchief]

To our out-of-towners, I'm glad you're here, but I strongly recommend you familiarize yourselves with the Rules and Reference thread. This is supposed to be a friendly-but-competitive atmosphere, emphasis on the "friendly", and posts outside the grounds of common courtesy will not be tolerated.

I'm tired of having to peruse this thread to make sure posts are in line instead of looking for mafia. Be excellent to each other... or else.