Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Cuthillius]

look back at stork's entrance into thread yesterday

he comes in and the last thing he was talking about was how scummy I was

he comes in, agrees with everything I say, when I purposefully ask a vague and shady question he answers it vaguely and shadily

like that was the textbook definition of how wolves interact with villager

he was buttering me up, why?

he was convinced I was scum before, and the first thing he says yesterday is that he still thinks I'm scummy

@Everyone we need to lynch Stork today.

[Dp101]

look back at stork's entrance into thread yesterday

he comes in and the last thing he was talking about was how scummy I was

he comes in, agrees with everything I say, when I purposefully ask a vague and shady question he answers it vaguely and shadily

like that was the textbook definition of how wolves interact with villager

he was buttering me up, why?

he was convinced I was scum before, and the first thing he says yesterday is that he still thinks I'm scummy

@Everyone we need to lynch Stork today.

Seems good, let's do it Vote: Stork.

[Murska]

Seems good, let's do it Vote: Stork.

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[Cuthillius]

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lol

do you not think what i think about those posts

if so what is your take on them

[Pelican]

Even before the claim, yesterday's Riedquat wagon looked lazy and lynchbait-y. I'm especially not liking Winston dropping a placeholder vote on the lead wagon, that set off serious alarm bells at the time, but the rest of his posts are looking ok enough for me to not want to lynch him. My condolences to Winston as well.

I'm not seeing the stork wagon, not quite sure why Cuth and Stork seem to be focused disproportionately on one another as compared to the rest of the players, but I don't know if that's particularly telling for either of them. I tend to think tunneling is townier rather than wolfier, so I'll put my money down tentatively on town-town, that if one of the two but I'll double down on my assertion from yesterday that if one of them is scum, it's Cuthalion.

Monty's looking increasingly better and better, and now I find myself wanting to follow him onto Pizza mostly based on yesterday's eod. Am I remembering right that he voted at least once for all of the lead wagons towards eod? If so, it really seems like he didn't care at all who got lynched, which is one of the wolfiest wolf tells around in my opinion. So I'll start with a vote:Pizza today.

[Riedquat]

sure did!...meaning....at least what I THINK ried was asking was....did his scan of me trigger something and the magic ianswer is YES!!!!!!

I gained my vig shot last night. I had no idea why.

day 1 i thought it was maybe about whoever voted me i could shoot from that list...but that wasn't it cuz n1 i gained nothing.
day 2 i was thinking maybe i could vig target people that _I_ was voting that weren't lynched...because i was on the lead wagon day before and they didn't die...

but when i gained a vig...the vig target was allowed to kill anyone...so...

Forum ate my post :( :( Twice... "your request cannot be submitted because the token expired"

No, what I was saying and telling at the same time, is I thought your role was the exact opposite of me, a primary ability when used against an uncertain individual would trigger the second ability, in your case kill and in my case protect. Now you're saying perhaps my scan on you triggered your ability to kill?

[Riedquat]

and actually ried's giant post where he called me a liar...

you guys were telling me to kill Ried or stork...ried's name came up a lot.

but i was soooo paranoid. That "LIES!!!" post with his jibberjabber about me being some robot killer or some stuff made me think he was TRYING to get me to kill him because he was angeled or bulletproof or something.

But then later he made that other post about scanning me and i felt warm & fuzzier about him

That was the idea and to be perfectly clear I still do think you are lying, at least in the specific mechanics how your ability works.

So, to be perfectly clear: At the start of the game, you technically had a vig kill, but not a functional vig kill, so it wouldn't actually kill anyone when you tried to kill them, and that's why you killed nobody on night one.

On day two or night two, Riedquat used an ability on you, which activated your vig kill, and night two you killed khaan.

How exactly does that work, anyway? Did you even know if you would be able to kill khaan if you tried?

No, night 1! I scanned somebody else last night.

So, sometimes you have a kill available and you an use it like an ordinary vig kill, sometimes you don't, you couldn't kill night one, you could kill night two, something changed but you're not sure what, but it might have been Riedquat?

That seems like a reasonable enough explanation to me.

Wasn't riedquat, why he would be a treat to my survival if he couldn't kill?

that is where i'm at.
it may not have been reinquat specifically. It may have just been the fact that I was "targetted" by someone.

Also I'm not sure I understood what Reid's scan was actually. But he said something about a secondary skill and unlocking powers that made me think he wanted me to confirm whether or not his abilities on me did anything.

As explained in my previous post, no. That is how I roll, my actions potentially can unlock my own secondary ability. The vagueness of your own explanation about your lack of knowledge of how your ability worked adding the result of my scan made me think you were, as I said before, my exact opposite with the same mechanic in the abilities and due the richness in details from my own role I find it odd and disturbing the lack of knowledge you have from yours.

Btw I like reinquat :)

[Montmorency]

Reidquat, what is your secondary ability? What specifically does your scan do?

Are you willing to look at anyone other than Crimson today?

[CrimsonFox]

That was the idea and to be perfectly clear I still do think you are lying, at least in the specific mechanics how your ability works.



No, night 1! I scanned somebody else last night.



Wasn't riedquat, why he would be a treat to my survival if he couldn't kill?



As explained in my previous post, no. That is how I roll, my actions potentially can unlock my own secondary ability. The vagueness of your own explanation about your lack of knowledge of how your ability worked adding the result of my scan made me think you were, as I said before, my exact opposite with the same mechanic in the abilities and due the richness in details from my own role I find it odd and disturbing the lack of knowledge you have from yours.

Btw I like reinquat :)

if you are the exact opposite of me then you heal people but only after unlocking said ability :)

and fair enough on thinking i'm hiding part of my ability. The only time i was kinda lying was day one when i said "I am a vig". I DID say A vig on purpose which was true. But I did want the wolves to think I actually had a kill. or at least leave it open.

Let me ask you this. how else do you think an "unlocking mechanism" would work. If I KNEW how to unlock it, it wouldn't be much of an unlocking mechanism...unless you think it's "if I scan a person and find X, then I unlock ability A". But no, i don't have that. So I'm just doing things to try if that's what did it. That is why i stayed offwagon yesterday. So as of now here are my guesses...

I unlocked because

A) because i ended my vote on a wolf
B) because it was an even day
C) because I was targetted with an ability the night before
D) because "Bender" did something to me
E) because I said "meatbag"

[Choxorn]

Even before the claim, yesterday's Riedquat wagon looked lazy and lynchbait-y. I'm especially not liking Winston dropping a placeholder vote on the lead wagon, that set off serious alarm bells at the time, but the rest of his posts are looking ok enough for me to not want to lynch him. My condolences to Winston as well.

I'm not seeing the stork wagon, not quite sure why Cuth and Stork seem to be focused disproportionately on one another as compared to the rest of the players, but I don't know if that's particularly telling for either of them. I tend to think tunneling is townier rather than wolfier, so I'll put my money down tentatively on town-town, that if one of the two but I'll double down on my assertion from yesterday that if one of them is scum, it's Cuthalion.

Monty's looking increasingly better and better, and now I find myself wanting to follow him onto Pizza mostly based on yesterday's eod. Am I remembering right that he voted at least once for all of the lead wagons towards eod? If so, it really seems like he didn't care at all who got lynched, which is one of the wolfiest wolf tells around in my opinion. So I'll start with a vote:Pizza today.

Something about this post jumped out to me as seeming off. It just seems like what a wolf would post if his scumbuddy Stork was the leading wagon and he was trying to get the wagon to someone other than stork.

Looking at Pelican's posts the past few days, he mostly tunnels Monty and later Pizza when Pizza became the second-leading wagon and nobody agreed with Pelican that Monty was scummy, he's mentioned a lot of other people briefly but never goes into any detail on anyone but Monty or Pizza, he's said a few times he thinks Stork is town but doesn't seem to want to defend him too strongly. He seems to want to leave most of his options open on other players while having strong feelings on a few to make it look like he's scumhunting.

If Stork is scum, there's a good chance Pelican is one of his scumbuddies. And right now, I'm thinking Stork is more likely to be scum than Pizza.

Vote: Stork

[Murska]

lol

do you not think what i think about those posts

if so what is your take on them

He's doing what I want, but he's doing it so wrong...

[CrimsonFox]

Seems good, let's do it Vote: Stork.

lol wtf :)

[Winston Hughes]

Hi Crimson. You want me to look at anything?

[El Barto]

I reread, and Stork was not involved with the Crimson minipush, so my Winston town tell stands. The discussion segued into Stork discussing TDs with Cuthilius.

If this is about D1, Stork took his vote off spaceman and if I hadn't switched my vote onto spaceman98 then someoen could've sneaked in and killed the vig. One vig for one mafioso is a switch I'd make, especially as it annuls any discussion on the following Night and Day phase.

Ok, apparently BSmith joined, or was already voting Crimson. El Barto also approved of the Crimson vote.

Until I didn't. Read my posts, meatbag.

Not what I meant. I mean the role in question is ridiculously stupid for mafia to keep alive all game.

Could you elaborate, assuming your tiny organic brain can process polysyllables?

So many claims for this type of game.

Well, I'm the Queen of France! How about that?

Uh...

So you speak a dead language! Bonjour!

At this stage, with a particularly nasty cold reducing yet further my ability to understand wtf is going on, I'm minded just to let El Barto dictate my vote today.

Heh-heh-heh. It's always a good idea to let robots run things.

[Cuthillius]

Seriously. Vote Stork.

[Winston Hughes]

Seriously. Vote Stork.

Well, obviously.

But can you summarise the case, so I've got some idea what I'm voting for?