Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Murska]

Interesting, thanks.

Also your paraphrase of me was spot-on, but I'm not sure how it makes me mafia.

Hm. The issue is that it's precisely the kind of thing mafia does - you're foreseeing a Town flip and distancing from that wagon while voting for a target that you don't really think is mafia, or at least haven't shown any effort attacking. It's also a good way to defend ATPG (set up a different target) without saying that you're defending him (by flip-flopping on 'he might be scum or not') so that if and when he or you get caught, the other one wouldn't be implicated.

As Town I'd expect the following thought process: "I think Stork is being pushed by mafia here. The counterwagon is ATPG, pushed by Towny folk." At this point there's a split - if you have time, you'll go "I'll analyze the Stork wagon to maybe find mafia there, put up a case to try and push them instead." If you're busy you'll go "I'll follow the people I think are Town on ATPG, though voice my concerns about the lack of other targets."

[Murska]

In case any of you are serious, or someone in the future skims things, I'm part of my campus Assassin's Guild and we're attempting to catch each other with water guns, nerf darts and other nefarious implements of fake murder at this time. It's not related to the game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

If I'm mafia (and so is ATPG), then the easy option to Stork being town is simply dumping my vote on ATPG and calling it a day - especially since I know that ATPG is very very good at wriggling his way out of lynch situations and he won't necessarily be flipped the next day or two.

[Murska]

Bleh, bussing. The high road for lazy mafia.

The question is, if you're Town, why aren't you trying to lynch mafia? Even all these last posts from you are defending yourself against what isn't even a single vote, just a suspicion from one person. If you're town, why would you care that someone's suspicious of you when there's day end nearing and mafia to hunt?

[Dp101]

Doesn't seem that weird, I can easily see both town and scum giving up a little at this point if they don't like the lynch, given how much of the town is inactive it might feel impossible to swing the lynch.

[Montmorency]

Atheotes, Riedquat, GH, and Stork - by ascending order of likelihood - would together be enough to tie the vote.

[Montmorency]

Sorry, I meant Choxorn, not Riedquat.

[Zack]

Official Tally

6 Stork (novice, cuth, dp101, Winston, jht, atpg)

4 ATPG (monty, pelican, riedquat, murska)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhanky)

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3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Stork

1 Not Posting: Al Sipsclar

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[Cuthillius]

Honestly I love the wagons as far as having the best suspects in there, I just think Stork's always the lynch here. Pizza is whatever, I don't want to waste time on him. Either he gets NKed, or we press him for a full roleclaim if Stork flips town.

Novice is a cheap lynch and the worst out of any of these from most viewpoints. Not necessarily a bad lynch per se but much less information, still leaves both Stork/ATPG unresolved.

[Dp101]

Is there any possible way that the Pizza/Stork thing is W/W? Maybe it escalated to the point where neither can back down, and now they are locked in as deep wolves? Probably tinfoil, but I think it's important to consider all options.

[Murska]

Doesn't seem that weird, I can easily see both town and scum giving up a little at this point if they don't like the lynch, given how much of the town is inactive it might feel impossible to swing the lynch.

Giving up is bad. How're you going to swing the lynch if you don't try? With several hours to the end, too. And even if you don't manage to change the target today, your analysis is still there for tomorrow.

[Murska]

Besides if you've given up as Town, why not drop a vote on ATPG, whom you're ambivalent on but who's being pushed by your town reads and is the closest counterwagon to Stork whom you think is Town?

[Choxorn]

Even before the claim, yesterday's Riedquat wagon looked lazy and lynchbait-y. I'm especially not liking Winston dropping a placeholder vote on the lead wagon, that set off serious alarm bells at the time, but the rest of his posts are looking ok enough for me to not want to lynch him. My condolences to Winston as well.

I'm not seeing the stork wagon, not quite sure why Cuth and Stork seem to be focused disproportionately on one another as compared to the rest of the players, but I don't know if that's particularly telling for either of them. I tend to think tunneling is townier rather than wolfier, so I'll put my money down tentatively on town-town, that if one of the two but I'll double down on my assertion from yesterday that if one of them is scum, it's Cuthalion.

Monty's looking increasingly better and better, and now I find myself wanting to follow him onto Pizza mostly based on yesterday's eod. Am I remembering right that he voted at least once for all of the lead wagons towards eod? If so, it really seems like he didn't care at all who got lynched, which is one of the wolfiest wolf tells around in my opinion. So I'll start with a vote:Pizza today.

Something about this post jumped out to me as seeming off. It just seems like what a wolf would post if his scumbuddy Stork was the leading wagon and he was trying to get the wagon to someone other than stork.

Looking at Pelican's posts the past few days, he mostly tunnels Monty and later Pizza when Pizza became the second-leading wagon and nobody agreed with Pelican that Monty was scummy, he's mentioned a lot of other people briefly but never goes into any detail on anyone but Monty or Pizza, he's said a few times he thinks Stork is town but doesn't seem to want to defend him too strongly. He seems to want to leave most of his options open on other players while having strong feelings on a few to make it look like he's scumhunting.

If Stork is scum, there's a good chance Pelican is one of his scumbuddies. And right now, I'm thinking Stork is more likely to be scum than Pizza.

Vote: Stork

[Cuthillius]

Is there any possible way that the Pizza/Stork thing is W/W? Maybe it escalated to the point where neither can back down, and now they are locked in as deep wolves? Probably tinfoil, but I think it's important to consider all options.

Cool, then we'll lynch a wolf either way.

But I doubt it. Players like that don't escalate cases on each other repeatedly when they know they can't clear each other.

As it is lynching one of them will make the other one less suspicious, but not clear them

[Cuthillius]

Besides if you've given up as Town, why not drop a vote on ATPG, whom you're ambivalent on but who's being pushed by your town reads and is the closest counterwagon to Stork whom you think is Town?

I don't think he was saying he's giving up.

[Murska]

I don't think he was saying he's giving up.

Yeah, DP was saying General is giving up.

[Dp101]

I don't think he was saying he's giving up.

Yeah, I was the one that interpreted Murska'a opinion on General's actions that way. It felt like Murska was saying that's what the General was doing and that that action was scummy, so I was disagreeing with the argument I saw. Really it's my fault.

[Zack]

Official Tally

7 Stork (novice, cuth, dp101, Winston, jht, atpg, choxorn)

4 ATPG (monty, pelican, riedquat, murska)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhanky)

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2 Not Voting: Newyn, Stork

1 Not Posting: Al Sipsclar

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[El Barto]

there isn't a maj in effect is there?

Read the rules, dog!

Possibly maf gets a vig on people who claim their role too clearly?

Erm, no?

OK, fine, I got that one wrong.

You're mafia. Lynch this person! Lynch him! And his counter-waggon-starter Pelican along with him!

If I have to hard claim everything just to get people to actually look at anyone besides me or Stork I'm going to have stern words in post.

Is it a Problem Sleuth-style ‘strongly worded letter’?

[El Barto]

So, meatbags: Uncle Flexo recommends that you lynch Stork, Pelican and Montmorency (mafia) and also kumquat (cereal killer or perhaps cultmeister?)

[Dp101]

The setup said no cults I think.

[Al Sipsclar]

Well, that finishes this paperwork.


Who should I vote now?

[Newyn]

Vote: Stork
Don't see much harm in letting Pizza live for one more day.

[Cuthillius]

Well, that finishes this paperwork.


Who should I vote now?

Stork.

[Cuthillius]

The setup said no cults I think.

Ask @Visor about that sometime.

[Dp101]

That sounds ominous.

[Zack]

Official Tally

8 Stork (novice, cuth, dp101, Winston, jht, atpg, choxorn, Newyn)

4 ATPG (monty, pelican, riedquat, murska)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhanky)

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2 Not Voting: Al Sipsclar, Stork

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[Al Sipsclar]

Very well, Vote: Stork

[Riedquat]

Well, lets hope for the best, Stork being scum...

[Zack]

Official Tally

9 Stork (novice, cuth, dp101, Winston, jht, atpg, choxorn, Newyn, al sips)

4 ATPG (monty, pelican, riedquat, murska)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhanky)

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1 Not Voting: Stork

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