Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

novice activity irregular, but activity now matches activity toward the beginning of the game.

[Montmorency]

Day 3 activities. What do you think?

[Choxorn]

There were zero votes on Pizza. I was just asking for his claim so we could get on with the day.

Wrong. Monty, Cuth, and Pelican all voted Pizza before you did.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Murska

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Today: 0

Yesterday: 3
27: 10

26: 5
25: 5
24: 0
23: 3
22: 4

21: 3
20: 0

19: 2
18: 0

Activity spike 25/26/27th related to the stork/gh/pizza lynch decision, voted me while pushing GH.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Day 3 activities. What do you think?

If I iso'ed you, would I find a case in your history somewhere? Do I have to do that in order to find such a case?

[novice]

Wrong. Monty, Cuth, and Pelican all voted Pizza before you did.

Huh. My apologies, you're correct.
Well, I wasn't caught up at the time, the day was fresh in my mind, and I wanted to get a pizza claim and get on with the day.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok wow.

I couldn't find anything resembling a coherent sentence about Winston from Monty, but you did mention him as scum repeatedly.

Not only that, I've found like four other people who insist Winston is scum, and absolutely nothing has happened on that front.

Everyone keeps saying it, no one actually does anything about it. And that's fucking weird.

[novice]

This is time you could be using to point fingers at the scum.

That was thumbed out going from one customer site to another. I know better than you what I do and don't have time for.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Winston is town. Surely my lone (?) opinion on that isn't actually stopping anyone, especially if I'm so frigging shady that I've been wagoned for the past 2 straight days for no reason at all, by the way.

[novice]

What do you think of the mason claim?

We both dropped a minor hint that we knew the other was town:
Newyn: This guy is lock town. Trust me.

Choxorn: What makes you say that? Newyn seems to me like inactive lazy town, kind of like I am.

My first thought was that the Choxorn hint was maybe too minor to be counted as a breadcrumb, but Newyn's breadcrumb is pretty definitive and he's the confirmed townie. So I believe it.

Which makes me trust GH's claim less, since there are so many claimed and confirmed town power roles.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That was thumbed out going from one customer site to another. I know better than you what I do and don't have time for.

Let's try this, then.

Give me a time frame where you'll be here for at least 1 hour. We're in the same time zone.

[novice]

I think Winston is town. Surely my lone (?) opinion on that isn't actually stopping anyone, especially if I'm so frigging shady that I've been wagoned for the past 2 straight days for no reason at all, by the way.

I've been reading Winston as town most of the game.

[novice]

I'll be following the thread for the next four hours.

[novice]

Assuming Choxorn is town and correcting Stork's color:

6 spaceman98 (Visor, Cuthillius, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, CrimsonFox, El Barto)

4 BSmith (spaceman98, Dp101, seireikhaan, Al Sipsclar)
4 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn)
4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Winston Hughes, Stork)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 GeneralHankerchief (novice)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

1 Not Voting: El Barto
End of Day one

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6 BSmith (novice, Stork, Generalhankerchief, Cuthillius, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sipsclar)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat
End of Day Two.

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9 Stork (novice, cuthillius, dp101, Winston, johnhughthom, Askthepizzaguy, choxorn, Newyn, al sipsclar)

5 Askthepizzaguy (montmorency, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhankerchief)

End of Day Three.

[Montmorency]

I have been calling Winston outright scum since page 53/post 1776 or whatever.

[novice]

OK, I can't get any solid groupings out of this. It's almost certain one or more scum is outside of my naughty list, but only atheotes and novice are worth looking at by default given what's available (too strong on DP and Riedquat, almost nothing on JHT and Al Sip), and if I'm to default then it should be on Winston or Cuthilius. GH and Pizza can have tonight to 'work their magic'. Should tell us a few things, if GH agrees to jailkeep Pizza, and Pizza agrees to track GH. If Pizza himself is town, then he should give an honest account:

If GH keeps him, then he should admit no result.
If GH keeps someone else, then regardless of GH's alignment so long as Pizza is town he will tell us whom GH visits.

Admittedly, this gives us no information if they are both scum, but that's too much for me ATM. Also, it technically does not tell us that GH is town if Pizza is indicated town. Assume neither is third-party for simplicity.

A visualization:

	GH keeps Pizza	GH keeps someone else
Town P/Town G	Pizza reports blocked	Pizza reports GH's activity
Town P/Scum G	Pizza reports blocked	Pizza reports GH activity (risky for GH)
Scum P/Town G	Pizza wildcard	Pizza wildcard
Scum P/Scum G	Yeah right	God help us

Why wouldn't scum Pizza follow the behavior of town Pizza as listed above? Because that would be too reactive and low-reward. Scum Pizza would claim something sure to drive the lynch, such as 'X night-killed Y. Thankfully, there's also a third element in Riedquat to scan GH, even if weakly.

OK, never mind, it doesn't work.

Vote: Winston

I strongly recommend GH and Pizza follow this plan.

Who should report their result first?

If Pizza is scum, what does GH jailing him achieve?
If GH is scum, why do we want him jailing our tracker?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have been calling Winston outright scum since page 53/post 1776 or whatever.

Yeah and the problem is I don't understand what you're seeing.

Saying it repeatedly but not being able to articulate what the problem is doesn't change minds or make your point known. That plus your constant screaming that I'm scum has made it impossible to take you seriously.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How is Winston scum in plain english that I can follow?

He did X and that was scummy Y format.

[Montmorency]

Who should report their result first?

If Pizza is scum, what does GH jailing him achieve?
If GH is scum, why do we want him jailing our tracker?

As I said, the exercise is only revealing in regards to Pizza. But that's the gamble I'm willing to take, and anyway Riedquat potentially provides some assurance on GH.

How is Winston scum in plain english that I can follow?

He did X and that was scummy Y format.

He has a habit of scum-reading townies, lynching townies, and focusing attention on townies. Visor, Stork (you heard me), Riedquat (), DP101, Crimson, you name it.

I have no confidence at all in my ability to make good reads here, and feel like I'm wasting my time even trying.

Tilting at Crimson, then pocketing Crimson once the worm had turned

Hi Crimson. You want me to look at anything?

Sleazing up toward Cuth as soon as Cuth said Winston was being towny; see also Stork wagon.

I've been prepping myself for that kind of scumgame for a while.

But I just keep randing town.

Got to be playing on hard mode.

Aggressive D1 here, meta as lurker when vanilla.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you're suggesting he just really loves being scum and that's what lit a fire under his ass.

[Montmorency]

Speak for yourself!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Aggressive D1 here, meta as lurker when vanilla.

I'm just trying to make sense of what you said here. You're saying if he were a vanilla town, he'd have much less activity.

Basically the exact thing I just said, but I'm speaking human and you're speaking your own language.

[Montmorency]

Not really, I'm saying the circular reasoning has enough external validation to warrant a lynch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Will you consolidate with me on suspects we agree on if your wagon on winston goes nowhere?

The scums aren't going to have this much difficulty working together on stuff they purport to agree on.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@novice

Which names would you lynch today? When you're done with your rainbow post.

[Montmorency]

I'm more interested in seeing you work in tandem with GH.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm more interested in seeing you work in tandem with GH.

There's a lynch that happens before that which is far more important.

[novice]

I'm fiddling with my browser plugin, this post is for the benefit of that plugin.

Player list:

• Al Sipsclar alias Al alias Sipsclar alias Sips
• Askthepizzaguy alias ATPG alias Pizza
• atheotes
• Choxorn alias chox
• Cuthillius alias cuth
• Dp101 alias dp
• GeneralHankerchief alias gh alias general alias hanky
• johnhughthom alias john alias jht
• Montmorency alias monty
• Murska
• novice
• Pelican
• Riedquat alias kumquat alias reinquat alias reidquat alias quat
• Winston Hughes alias winston alias wh
• spaceman98 alias spaceman
• BSmith
• Stork
• El Barto alias Bart
• Visor
• seireikhaan alias Khaan alias Khan
• CrimsonFox alias Crimson alias Fox alias CF
• Newyn

[atheotes]

4 dead town PRs
Choxorn - Mason - looks true.
Pizza - tracker - should resolve itself. Lets see if he can get a track result tonight.
GH - Jailkeeper - doubtful
Winston - softclaimed something - ???

Quat - neutral
We have other PRs. I am assuming the Crimson kill was a one time shot by non town.

I dont believe GH's claim. mainly based on progression to the claim. I also dont like his refusal to speak about his actions. So my vote stays there.
I will try to read up on the dead PRs to see if there were any hints.

[novice]

Tally as of post 2039:

Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (atheotes, Murska, novice)
3 votes: novice (Cuthillius, Choxorn, Askthepizzaguy)
1 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Pelican)
1 votes: Winston Hughes (Montmorency)

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