Fine Vote: GeneralHankerchief
It would be helpful to me if the people voting for GH for "pressure to reveal" reasons would do me the favor of continuing to talk about alternative candidates, as if GH had just claimed all his actions and you believe that makes him town.
Not for funsies, but so that if a decision is made (after I go to bed, mind you) not to lynch GH, it isn't a giant cluster, because alternatives have already been discussed.
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Right now I wouldn't mind a lurker lynch, or maybe Monty.
Look, you aren't getting me to pressure-claim actions. That's just something that isn't going to happen.
Rationally and reasonably argue how me disclosing my actions benefits the town, and we'll start talking.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
If you reveal your actions and the reasoning behind them we can see how they fit with your actions in the thread, to get a better read on you.
I don't see much downside in scum learning townyou's actions. Maaybe they have failed actions requiring explanation, such as a failed kill that could be caused by you or by e.g. a bulletproof townie, but they can probably guess anyway. Town can't. At any rate the benefits outweigh the disadvantages.
By not claiming you're also denying town power roles the opportunity to catch you in a lie.
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Let's operate under a couple of assumptions here.
Assumption One: I am who I claim to be, a town-aligned Jailkeeper.
Assumption Two: I am a somewhat competent Mafia player on occasion.
Operating under the premise the the above two assumptions are true, let us further speculate on why I have not disclosed my actions to this point. It could be because I was softly trying to influence the town's direction in favor of, or away from, a particular lynch target, while still trying to preserve my anonymity. It could be because I was breadcrumbing my role in a long-term effort to first set up my role and then drop the hammer when I finally had information of worth to reveal. It could be because I have no information of value from the actions I've taken so far. It could be because I'm waiting for more people to chime in on the issue first. It could be because I believe the mafia, as it currently stands, will be better served to adapt and react to the information disclosed than town.
Three of the five possible scenarios are correct here.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
Also atheotes has been garbage this entire last day. "GH claimed because somebody he believes to be town asked him to and doesn't have anything to back it up, HE'S CLEARLY SCUM"
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
Yeah, what Novice said. If you reveal your actions you are more cleared because mafia would have to make up night actions that could conflict with town actions and could be caught out. Plus any town power roles still alive can get closure on the results of their actions.
Here's my shot at rationally explaining why claiming your actions would help Town.
1: It doesn't help the Mafia in any way. Knowing who you've targeted tells them nothing useful.
2: It may, may possibly let Town find some sort of corroborating evidence on your claim, as thus far you just look like mafia who's fakeclaimed out of desperation.
We're not questioning your competence, GH, just your credibility. Even if all your scenarios are correct, they don't rebut the points I made in favour of you claiming your actions. Your anonymity is no longer preserved, after all.
I want more people to chime in on this issue.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
Vote: atheotes
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
the fact that you've claimed JK removes almost all of the point of not claiming results
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
Yeah, you found a bug. Should work now, try reinstalling the script by clicking this link:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...%20v12.user.js
If that doesn't fix it try first uninstalling the script from the TamperMonkey dashboard and then reinstalling it.
@ GH
Tally management over the next few hours will be important due to absentees. EOD is also at 4am Norway time, so I'm not gonna be here and it's possible novice can't be, either. The lack of vote movement and lack of reaction factor is a serious danger here. How do you want to play it?
Are you unwilling to go onto any of the people I've suggested?
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#Montytoostronger
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
I want to lynch Murska as my top priority today.
I am willing to lynch Cuthillius.
Novice is an awesome addition to this board, but I didn't see him actually do anything with the software trick he pulled out of his magic bag. I would lynch him because of that.
If none of those are acceptable, I will lynch atheotes with you. But I think we have a greater chance of getting the necessary votes on the others.
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#Montytoostronger
Well, Novice is my main competitor in the votes right now, so I'll probably be on him EoD if an atheotes counterwagon doesn't materialize.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
I'm about to settle in for the night with my wife, however I can be back here just before bed to change my vote if need be. That's not a ton of time.
Note that a bunch of the people I think are town are completely unwilling to even vote together. That's why I'm about to start cutting deals.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
FTR Al Sipsclar going nowhere doesn't fully clear him, and the pass I gave him for not seeing him go anywhere is temporary and should be highly mitigated by the fact that the best counter to my role is a ninja or a godfather type role. Or simply a scum who didn't go anywhere.
I'm only holding on to him as a mild town read because it's the only piece of viable info I even have remaining. If people think he's scum they should push him regardless.
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
Compromise on my end:
If I'm in the lead for the lynch, or if the outcome is in doubt, I will reveal my actions with one minute before EoD.
If I survive the lynch, I will reveal my actions one minute (or close enough) before the end of the night phase.
"I'm going to die anyway, and therefore have nothing more to do except deliberately annoy Lemur." -Orb, in the chat
"Lemur. Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him." -Ignoramus
"I'm going to need to collect all of the rants about the guilty lemur, and put them in a pretty box with ponies and pink bows. Then I'm going to sprinkle sparkly magic dust on the box, and kiss it." -Lemur
Mafia: Promoting peace and love since June 2006
@ novice
Would you follow through with your claimed suspicions and lynch Al Sipsclar today?
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