Brexit Thread

[Pannonian]

There is a reason why populism is a bad word for the elite, we aren't invited.

The reason why you're not invited is because you're Dutch. This was a UK referendum, as reflected in the thread title: "UK referendum". It's a bit of a clue.

[Gilrandir]

And here comes Norway:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...de-association

[Greyblades]

Cant exactly fault them for having doubts about reinviting a big fish into thier little pond.

[InsaneApache]

[Husar]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...arebar_twitter

After two decades gunning for Brexit - Mr Farage has been spotted queueing up at the German Embassy and refuses to deny applying for dual citizenship

[InsaneApache]

He's grown a mustache as well.

[Pannonian]

He's grown a mustache as well.

He needs a bit off the sides, leaving an inch in the middle, and he'd be handsome as heck.

[Furunculus]

it feels like i've spent the last decade saying exactly that!

[Fragony]

In the meantime, the German National Bank is *cough* not doing all that well. A landslide of the DNB is much worse than a Brexit, put your money where somebody can't see it because the EU -will- come for it, that was already sneaked in

[Pannonian]

In the meantime, the German National Bank is *cough* not doing all that well. A landslide of the DNB is much worse than a Brexit, put your money where somebody can't see it because the EU -will- come for it, that was already sneaked in

How close is Nexit by the way? You were sitting safely in Dutchland, assuring us that Brexit will be followed by enthusiastic anti-Europeans like yourself. How close are you to declaring solidarity with us, or are you going to leave us to be screwed alone?

[Fragony]

Very very unlikely, we are not in a position that we can. The EU is extremily unpopular with some, but so is the monarchy and we won't get rid of that either. Merchants be merchanrs

What I hope (and think) is that the UK will come out stronger as it would really weaken the EU's credibility

[InsaneApache]

Well you'd better stay in because if you don't then the disasters visited on the UK will fall on you lot too.

You know, WW III, plague of frogs, death of the first born. All kinds of shit.

It's a hell on Earth in the UK atm.

[Fragony]

Heh have one on me, I'll pay you later. Really. After the doom of total death. Was it the other wayaround could be

[Pannonian]

Very very unlikely, we are not in a position that we can. The EU is extremily unpopular with some, but so is the monarchy and we won't get rid of that either. Merchants be merchanrs

What I hope (and think) is that the UK will come out stronger as it would really weaken the EU's credibility

Just like the neolibs had their fun with post-Communist Russia, so the europhobes have their fun with the UK. Spouting off their theory whilst sitting somewhere where they won't have to face the consequences.

[Greyblades]

Just like the neolibs had their fun with post-Communist Russia, so the europhobes have their fun with the UK. Spouting off their theory whilst sitting somewhere where they won't have to face the consequences.

You seem to have the same impression of what the europhobes will be doing as we saw the europhiles doing over the last 40 years.

I cant see the EU allowing Deutsche bank to fail, it's too important to not bail out, the question is what will happen next once the Germans see the bill.

[Husar]

In the meantime, the German National Bank is *cough* not doing all that well. A landslide of the DNB is much worse than a Brexit, put your money where somebody can't see it because the EU -will- come for it, that was already sneaked in

I know that statement comes from an expert because the DNB is the German national library (Deutsche National Bibliothek).

[Pannonian]

You seem to have the same impression of what the europhobes will be doing as we saw the europhiles doing over the last 40 years.

You seem to have missed the bit about sitting where he won't have to face the consequences. Frag is just the same as the neolibs who played out their economic theories in Yeltsin's Russia whilst sitting in New York. Spouting off every so often about how things will be better if the targeted do as they're told, while they're a continent away and not having to face the reality of what they're advocating.

[Fragony]

Just like the neolibs had their fun with post-Communist Russia, so the europhobes have their fun with the UK. Spouting off their theory whilst sitting somewhere where they won't have to face the consequences.

What's in a word, a phobia is an irrational fear. There are perfectly reasonable reasons to dispise the ultra-undemocratic EU, basicly a government looking for a country. All they know is that there should be more EU

[Pannonian]

What's in a word, a phobia is an irrational fear. There are perfectly reasonable reasons to dispise the ultra-undemocratic EU, basicly a government looking for a country. All they know is that there should be more EU

A Dutchman urging the Brits to do what he doesn't have to face the consequences for, with the argument that the EU is undemocratic. What irons do you have in this particular fire, pray?

[Fragony]

If I had to chose a very big axe and a lot of spikes

[Pannonian]

If I had to chose a very big axe and a lot of spikes

"If" you had to choose? You don't understand my question.

[Fragony]

"If" you had to choose? You don't understand my question.

i don't have an answer, if people who are experts in explaining why they were wrong don't have one why should I. Wait and see it looks pretty good at the moment.

[Greyblades]

You seem to have missed the bit about sitting where he won't have to face the consequences. Frag is just the same as the neolibs who played out their economic theories in Yeltsin's Russia whilst sitting in New York. Spouting off every so often about how things will be better if the targeted do as they're told, while they're a continent away and not having to face the reality of what they're advocating.

No, I havent missed it, The distance from thier actions' consequences are merely shorter in this case, particulalry the distance from the brussels gated community to the local slum.

[Sarmatian]

It is funny to see how Brexit camp gloats because there was no economic disaster after the vote.

It is sad, on the other hand, to see them not even remotely understanding the consequences of their choice.

[Fragony]

No, I havent missed it, that is an exactly what eu-philes have been doing for 40 years.

Yeah. Eurocrats think the are the finger that makes the Mona Lisa smile

[Pannonian]

i don't have an answer, if people who are experts in explaining why they were wrong don't have one why should I. Wait and see it looks pretty good at the moment.

I'm an expert at explaining why, whether the choice is wrong or not, you don't have to face the consequences. I can explain this by pointing to the fact that the UK has exited the EU, as you've urged them to. The other part of my explanation is the fact that you live in Dutchland, not the UK. Your explanations of why things are good hold absolutely no water for me. Once again, you remind me of the neoliberals living in New York/Washington DC, urging Yeltsin's Russia to ever more extreme implementations of their economic theories, while they themselves were safely away from the consequences of the realisation of their ideas.

[Pannonian]

No, I havent missed it, The distance from thier actions' consequences are merely shorter in this case, particulalry the distance from the brussels gated community to the local slum.

You're stretching it. Europhiles lived in the Europe they loved, following all the rules that they subscribed to. Whatever consequences Europhiles subscribed to, they themselves faced in full. Unlike Frag urging Brexit.

[Fragony]

I'm an expert at explaining why, whether the choice is wrong or not, you don't have to face the consequences. I can explain this by pointing to the fact that the UK has exited the EU, as you've urged them to. The other part of my explanation is the fact that you live in Dutchland, not the UK. Your explanations of why things are good hold absolutely no water for me. Once again, you remind me of the neoliberals living in New York/Washington DC, urging Yeltsin's Russia to ever more extreme implementations of their economic theories, while they themselves were safely away from the consequences of the realisation of their ideas.

OK I will give an honest answer, I will applaud anything that weakens the EU as I see it as a very big threat to nation-states and everything good it brought us. It's a senseless project that's only interested in it's own existance. I wonder how long it takes because it gets it's true form. You are free to laugh at me.

Ascendence of europe vs the route to serfdom

[Greyblades]

You're stretching it. Europhiles lived in the Europe they loved, following all the rules that they subscribed to. Whatever consequences Europhiles subscribed to, they themselves faced in full. Unlike Frag urging Brexit.

No, they are shielded by not being poor.

By living in high income neighbourhoods in the prosperous EU nations with no possibility of seeing an immigrant save for across a supermarket counter. Moving in closed circles and reading news articles filtered to tell them what they want to hear they are completely oblivious to the problems being in the EU has caused the working classes.

It is sad, on the other hand, to see them not even remotely understanding the consequences of their choice.

Considering the chief complaints the remainers have is not being able to move around without a visa, It's easy to say they dont understand much of the consequences either.

[Gilrandir]

It is funny to see how Brexit camp gloats because there was no economic disaster after the vote.

There was no disater because there was no Brexit yet. Proclamation of exit is not the exit.