Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Dp101]

Nixon, for example, could be human or robot.

He's a human richard nixon's head in a jar, sometimes the jar is attached to a robot.

I don't remember all the character claims that weren't full claims.

Would you like me to post my role PM?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Actually Khaan's cover was Elzar.

I wouldn't anticipate a full scum team would follow the pattern, it makes the role too valuable to town with no potential downsides.

At most, 1 or 2, to make the role have a potential use for town, but cannot catch every scum.

I forget who the scan targets were. John and GH and some others.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Would you like me to post my role PM?

Please, by all means.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Just so I don't mess up the tally program:

Unvote: Cuthilius
Vote: Cuthillius

[Askthepizzaguy]

If WH and Reidquat agree to pick different live unscanned targets tonight, and people have already been locked in to a mass claim, there's a possibility we have viable information tomorrow.

What were all the scans?

[Dp101]

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Our planet has been through a lot this year, but we have not forgotten what is truly important... the great taste of Charleston Chew!





President Richard Nixon's head

Player: Dp101

Role: Nixon (https://theinfosphere.org/Nixon)

Faction: TOWN


Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.


Abilities:

Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.

Here

[Winston Hughes]

It is a shit role to claim. It's not something that deflects a lynch, realistically. The issue is, it's also not a huge target to be murdered unless there's something about the mafia team that is particularly robot-centric, and a claimed neutral already has that power.

I don't get its inclusion from a design standpoint. It doesn't really interact with the hostile third party Farnsworth, who is human. If the neutrals are plain neutral, not hostile, why do we need to scan for them?

The way I saw it was half-bulletproof, half-lynchbait. No idea what good the robot scan is supposed to be for us.

It's actually very similar to a role I had in a NotW a while back, for which I was indeed mislynched on the last day (despite putting in the greatest day's work in NotW history). Thankfully, it turned out we couldn't actually lose by that point, so the mislynch cost me nothing more than my personal goal.

[Winston Hughes]

Cover role human, real role robot. That's what I can think of.

That did occur to me, which is why I checked Al N1 (he implied he was that actor robot iirc).

But I tend to think that it be pretty harsh on the scum if they could be caught that way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

in 2135 Riedquat mentions his targets. So his live targets are john and WH, both are robots.

[Winston Hughes]

My results again:

Al Sips - robot
Murska - not robot
GH - robot
john - robot

[GeneralHankerchief]

From the Nixon role PM:

Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.

This is really interesting. Does every vanilla role get the "more details will come" bit?

[Cuthillius]

But he's voting for you.

It doesn't matter how amazing he might be sometimes, because right now he's got you square in the scumzone, and if you're town then you know he's wrong about that.

And knowing that, how do you ever manage to go from voting him earlier in the day to offering to sheep him wherever he goes now?

how indeed

i can sit here all day and tell you i'm town and i did what i did despite that

[Askthepizzaguy]

That did occur to me, which is why I checked Al N1 (he implied he was that actor robot iirc).

But I tend to think that it be pretty harsh on the scum if they could be caught that way.

It wouldn't be all of them, as Khaan's flip indicates. If it was just one, then the role wouldn't be without reason.

It's Zack so it can even be a red herring, but it's silly not to use the time and check.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Murska, John, and Al should post their role PMs the next time they check into the thread, if they're so inclined.

[Cuthillius]

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Quiet! It's 4:00 AM and I just fell asleep for the first time in thrity years!





Hattie McDoogal

Player: Cuthillius

Role: Hattie (https://theinfosphere.org/Hattie_McDoogal)

Faction: TOWN


Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.


Abilities:

Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.

[Winston Hughes]

how indeed

i can sit here all day and tell you i'm town and i did what i did despite that

Not much point in that. Better you spend your efforts clarifying who you think is scum.

I don't follow that list you made in 2500. It seems like you're saying Monty is low on the suspect list (even though you're still voting for him), and that your only real suspects are Murska and me.

[Winston Hughes]

Got to hit the sack now, and other than a very brief stop-in before work tomorrow morning, I then won't be online at all until Tuesday.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just so I don't mess up the tally program:

Unvote: Cuthilius
Vote: Cuthillius

I think unvotes may mess with it more than a typo. The vote may not count at all.

On the safer side, could you post Vote: Cuthillius in bold without an unvote? It's not needed for the vote to be valid anyway.

I don't know how to call up the vote count with the new program so I can't check if this is even a waste of time.

[Cuthillius]

Not much point in that. Better you spend your efforts clarifying who you think is scum.

I don't follow that list you made in 2500. It seems like you're saying Monty is low on the suspect list (even though you're still voting for him), and that your only real suspects are Murska and me.

wat

ignore the colors

i explained the list

it was in no order and the colors apart from grey and green didn't mean anything

thought that was clear

[Dp101]

It works, I just previewed a votecount.

[Zack]

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The hardest argument is the one where I try to tell a skeptical audience that not only do I need them, but they actually need me.

In politics, it's hard to get a coalition of people with non-conflicting interests to even give a shit about one another's interests for long enough to get anything done, because the "no" faction has a simpler message. It's simpler, and it's always united, because saying no to the idea that we need one another can apply to pretty much any situation. And since the ideology is that simple, it's easy to keep like-minded people as friends.

Complicated ideas, contradictions, exceptions, that's harder. Townie work is harder and people get hurt along the way.

I'm trying to make that argument to a skeptical audience right now.

Monty's argument is pizza is scum, and that's all he's saying.

Cuth's argument, until a few moments ago, was pizza is scum, and that's all he's saying.

They have an easy argument and they don't even need to convince you. I can't prove they are scum, I can only ask you to look at their behavior. Post count high, actual involvement tapering off, actual footprint of suspects low.

They are giving you fewer agenda items to disagree with them on. It works, it's just crowd control. It's always crowd control, that's why I make the footprint argument.

People are intelligent on their own but as a group, it's so much easier to manipulate them, and all you need to do is be less disagreeable.

Come on, guys. This is the purest beating heart of me. This is the way I play town.

If you mislynch me today, as I know I said before, it's not over. But it's still two voices gone. And we're having trouble agreeing as it stands.

One of us can't help you tomorrow, maybe two. We have to get it together here.

If you have to lynch me first, then please, look at the size of the accusation footprint of those who remain. Not from here onward, in the past. Before this round and including this one.

And you will have to vote together, you can't just skip off on a suspect that you can quickly check the math and go, that's only ever going to get a minority of the votes, and won't beat the suspect that everyone agrees on.

You have to mind the tally.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053685414

^
This is what happens when you don't.

I don't know what else to say. I'm trying to be relatable and explain the gravity of the situation, but I've got all the charisma of Hillary Clinton this game and I've called half of you deplorable. I get it.

I'm still the best you've got on the chopping block. Get someone scummier in it.

WARNING - do not edit posts.

[novice]

From the Nixon role PM:



This is really interesting. Does every vanilla role get the "more details will come" bit?

Yes.

[Montmorency]

Just as with any good politician, Pizza unifies everyone with an inevitable feeling of disappointment.

One of the biggest things you guys should pick up is how Pizza argues he can't be scum because he would need too many less-active supporters and he's alienated everyone else. More so than myself, he claims.

And yet he also stresses how divided the town are, which makes one of many of his offered lynches on an even keel with town lynching Pizza.

It's great how he plants the nullification of his own thesis into the rhetoric.

Never let Pizza talk about how everything is about him. It's an eminence front, and it means he needs to be lynched.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not trying to make the game all about me, but I can only speak from my own perspective, from my own experience, and discuss the ideas that I've learned about mafia under those constraints. I'm only using myself as an example because the specific point I was trying to make was directly analogous to an identical situation in a recent game on this forum.

[Murska]

Now there's a surprising amount of people on the Cuth wagon.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

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It's time you left science to the 120-year-olds!





Dr. Ogden Wernstrom

Player: Murska

Role: Wernstrom (https://theinfosphere.org/Dr._Ogden_Wernstrom)

Faction: TOWN


Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.


Abilities:

Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

?

The tally hadn't changed at all since you placed the vote on Cuth. The only thing that happened was tallies and a reformatting of an existing vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Logging off for the night, myself. glgl us.

[Montmorency]

Here's my role PM, for the record:

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There is nothing at stake and no threat, beyond the shame of defeat.





Ethan "Bubblegum" Tate

Player: Montmorency

Role: Bubblegum Tate (https://theinfosphere.org/Bubblegum)

Faction: TOWN


Team Victory Conditions:

The Town achieves victory based on its ability to achieve the goals listed below.

- The Mafia are eliminated.

- All hostile Third Parties are eliminated.

- At least one member of the Town survives the game.


Abilities:

Vanilla. You may continue to post in the game thread after your death. More details will come if/when you die.

[El Barto]

This is really interesting. Does every vanilla role get the "more details will come" bit?

Apparently, we all do.

[Zack]

Voting ends in:

4 cuth

2 monty
2 pizza

1 gh