Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pelican went nowhere last night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Note for majority purposes: Sooh and I will be doing shopping and errands, and going to dinner with friends of hers. I'll be back perhaps 10 o clock tonight.

I have to get ready. Talk things through, don't quick hammer.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I will be against any hammer, mostly because my activity will be limited this weekend.

[Montmorency]

Riedquat, who do you really think is the threat here?

What about Pizza, who we have agreed is the Threat-with-a-capital-T? Has he bought you off? I can pay too, you mercenary scoundrel.

[atheotes]

Riedquat, who do you really think is the threat here?

What about Pizza, who we have agreed is the Threat-with-a-capital-T? Has he bought you off? I can pay too, you mercenary scoundrel.

you do realize that Quat could be scum? did you claim your role?

[Montmorency]

Here.

But Quat is indeed 3rd party - there's no other way for these days to be potential LYLO unless there are 4 scum - it's just much worse: he's selling out. He's compromised at this point. It didn't happen today. Maybe not even yesterday (when Riedquat very suddenly decided to agree with Pizza and followed his vote on Murska. But at this point Ried can't be trusted. He has the real scans on scum, and he's decided to dog whistle them that he's willing to help them lynch town and win with them.

Scum won't kill him, and town won't lynch him. So he has the perfect position to play Kingmaker.

[atheotes]

Here.

But Quat is indeed 3rd party - there's no other way for these days to be potential LYLO unless there are 4 scum - it's just much worse: he's selling out. He's compromised at this point. It didn't happen today. Maybe not even yesterday (when Riedquat very suddenly decided to agree with Pizza and followed his vote on Murska. But at this point Ried can't be trusted. He has the real scans on scum, and he's decided to dog whistle them that he's willing to help them lynch town and win with them.

Scum won't kill him, and town won't lynch him. So he has the perfect position to play Kingmaker.

Doesnt he have a VC to keep Fry alive?

[atheotes]

my theory is that we have another 3rd party - maybe the one who was responsible for Crimson - and Quat is scum. Tinfoiling probably.

[Montmorency]

Doesnt he have a VC to keep Fry alive?

He's given us a few secondary VCs - obviously surviving is #1 - like keeping robots alive (graded VC), keeping Flexo alive (failed), and keeping Fry alive. Honestly, that one, with the exhortation for Fry to claim in thread, sounded more like fishing for NK a la this. I think he sees it this way: help scum win now, and no more robots die, and he himself doesn't die. He walks away with moderate victory or whatever.

[Dp101]

I thought that if mafia won it is implied that all remaining non-mafia players are killed. With that in mind, I don't think third party survivor can win with mafia.

[Montmorency]

With that in mind, I don't think third party survivor can win with mafia.

Why not? They usually can.

Mafia typically have to kill Town, and any explicitly hostile other faction or player. That's it.

[Riedquat]

Night Actions:

N1: Scan on CrimsonFox: Human and threat to my survival
N2: Scan on Jht: Robot not a threat/Unlocked the protection at the start of night 3
N3: Scan on Newyn: Human not a threat
Protection on jht: Successful
N4: Scan on GH: Robot not a threat/Unlocked the protection at the start of night 4
N5: Scan on Pelican: He is my friend Fry/Unlocked the protection with the result
Protection on GH: Successful
N6: Scan on Montmorency: Human and a threat
Protection on Pelican: Successful

Monty, all negotiations are here in the table, tell me what do you offer and how can I believe you?

[Montmorency]

Don't side with the Mafia? I think you're lying about one or more of your scans. Just tell us what you know and lynch scum.

They won't kill you because they can't afford it. They would rather have you and three townies tomorrow than kill you and face 4 townies.

I have a feeling you've scanned Pizza at some point, but who else?

[Dp101]

Well, either Pelican/Quat are mafia or Monty/one of Atheotes and Al. Of course, that assumes that Fry needs to be town, but given that the protection worked, it's our only non-blocked source of protection, and there was no NK, it seems pretty likely.

[Montmorency]

Wrong and misleading, again.

Successful just means they weren't blocked, unless you think that JHT and GH were attacked and that Riedquat single-handedly saved them?

If I didn't see Pizza here, I would definitely believe you and GH are scum.

[Riedquat]

Minor error:

N4: Scan on GH: Robot not a threat/Unlocked the protection at the start of night 5

Only way I can win with the scum is if they are not a threat to my survival, as long as they can kill they are a threat.

[Dp101]

Wrong and misleading, again.

Successful just means they weren't blocked, unless you think that JHT and GH were attacked and that Riedquat single-handedly saved them?

If I didn't see Pizza here, I would definitely believe you and GH are scum.

I know that success doesn't mean it blocked something, but the fact remains that something caused the lack of NK.

[Montmorency]

Atheotes has claimed a protective ability.

[Montmorency]

Only way I can win with the scum is if they are not a threat to my survival, as long as they can kill they are a threat.

Your posted role PM does not say that.

[Riedquat]

Your posted role PM does not say that.

No, but tell me then, how can I interpret the results of my scans? I do find threats to my survival, one could kill and was townie, what do you do to be a threat to me?

[Montmorency]

I already said: you're lying.

[atheotes]

Night Actions:

N1: Scan on CrimsonFox: Human and threat to my survival
N2: Scan on Jht: Robot not a threat/Unlocked the protection at the start of night 3
N3: Scan on Newyn: Human not a threat
Protection on jht: Successful
N4: Scan on GH: Robot not a threat/Unlocked the protection at the start of night 4
N5: Scan on Pelican: He is my friend Fry/Unlocked the protection with the result
Protection on GH: Successful
N6: Scan on Montmorency: Human and a threat
Protection on Pelican: Successful

Monty, all negotiations are here in the table, tell me what do you offer and how can I believe you?

who will you be willing to lynch within Pizza, Al sips and GH? or will you even be willing to lynch within that group?

[atheotes]

Atheotes has claimed a protective ability.

Yes. I hope now you all can understand why i did not believe GH's claim.

[Montmorency]

Yes. I hope now you all can understand why i did not believe GH's claim.

On the other hand, you claimed a one-shot.

I tell you this, there's no way GH and Pizza are scum together, and it's only Pizza that Riedquat can be merc-sheeping.

I am set on Pizza, Al, and DP101.

[atheotes]

On the other hand, you claimed a one-shot.

I tell you this, there's no way GH and Pizza are scum together, and it's only Pizza that Riedquat can be merc-sheeping.

I am set on Pizza, Al, and DP101.

Yes. I Claimed 1-shot...
Why is GH still alive? JK is a powerful role. lets say they had him negated via the roleblock and kept him alive as lynch bait
what about last night... I was suspecting GH. So i was not going to protect him. Surely he could not jailkeep himself. The scum decided to go after Fry (Pelican) instead. Why?

[Dp101]

Because they think they can just roleblock him forever is my guess. I agree though, it does feel odd that they would go after a claimed vanilla. Maybe they did it because Pizza is mafia and they want to save him from the main proponent of him being mafia? Or, slightly more tinfoil, they want people to think that's what they did and mislynch Pizza. Ultimate tinfoil is that mafia is Quat Pelican and withheld kill to get a town lynched while acquiring town cred for the two of them.

[Montmorency]

Why is GH still alive? JK is a powerful role. lets say they had him negated via the roleblock and kept him alive as lynch bait
what about last night... I was suspecting GH. So i was not going to protect him. Surely he could not jailkeep himself. The scum decided to go after Fry (Pelican) instead. Why?

So you protected Pelican? I don't follow what it has to do with GH either here-or-there.

Ultimate tinfoil is that mafia is Quat Pelican and withheld kill to get a town

Why would they do that when a kill would win them the game?

[Dp101]

Now you see why I called it ultimate tinfoil, it probably isn't what happened.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Riedquat

You're looking for guarantees relating to being unwilling to lynch X robot and/or worried about your personal survival.

There is probably at least 1 robot scum, however I also think as you do that they're mostly human. Just name the people you'd be willing to lynch, and if they're a suspect, we'll go that route. It's the only way to get the vote totals we need.

You've already demonstrated your commitment to town. We wouldn't be able to win without your help anyway. If it's just plain old clear that we're not going to win, I'm still not voting to lynch you ever. Don't worry about that part.

Let's find suspects we mutually agree on and go from there. If, after we look at those suspects, it's impossible or incompatible win conditions between you and town, then it wasn't even your fault. Then it was just luck of the draw, meaning the people we have left. No one is going to blame you for the kinds of people remaining.

We win together or we don't. Monty's definitely scum, but you seem hesitant on certain others. Let's hammer things out so we don't have to even negotiate things out tomorrow and the day after.

[Askthepizzaguy]

who will you be willing to lynch within Pizza, Al sips and GH? or will you even be willing to lynch within that group?

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What atheotes said.