Brexit Thread

**Pannonian** · 10-09-2016, 00:53

No comments from Brexiters apart from Frag on the Home Secretary's proposal?

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 10-09-2016, 02:56

Originally Posted by Pannonian

No comments from Brexiters apart from Frag on the Home Secretary's proposal?

Which sort of bigot would you like me to pretend to be?

**HopAlongBunny** · 10-09-2016, 03:19

Just keep those filthy foreigners (from the LSE

) away from the Brexit:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/1...175421672.html

**Pannonian** · 10-09-2016, 03:59

Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

Which sort of bigot would you like me to pretend to be?

Allison Pearson said that this wasn't what she voted for when she voted Leave. I pointed out that the sentiments of the Leave voters, straight after the referendum, focused on immigration as the biggest issue, and that there was markedly increased hostility towards foreigners immediately after the referendum. The Tory government has taken the referendum result and the reasons for the result to mean a mandate for things like the Rudd proposal. And polls indicate that she's right. The referendum result, polls about the result, and polls specifically about the measure indicate that she has the support of he British people. But what do individual Brexiters think?

**Fragony** · 10-09-2016, 10:17

Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

Which sort of bigot would you like me to pretend to be?

It's one of the consequences you should have seen comming really, Brexit dug a hole and it's filled with nothing. That was to be expected no? I fully believe it was for the best for you brittish and I hope whe get rid of that hissing in our necks here in the the Netherlands soon as well, back of go away. I am not going to pretend I am not a bigot because I'll have someone riding against my Legs in no time

**Pannonian** · 10-09-2016, 10:32

One question for Brexiters to answer is, does Rudd have the mandate for this?

**Fragony** · 10-09-2016, 10:56

I have absolutly no idea, never even heard of him/her

**Pannonian** · 10-09-2016, 11:07

Originally Posted by Fragony

I have absolutly no idea, never even heard of him/her

She's the Home Secretary, ie. the person the heads the department dealing with domestic affairs. The position may be called Interior Minister in some countries. Anything to do with UK residents is her area. Another way of wording the question is, since Rudd is the official spokesperson for the government in this area, does the UK government have the mandate to make companies list their foreign employees?

**Fragony** · 10-09-2016, 17:40

Originally Posted by Pannonian

She's the Home Secretary, ie. the person the heads the department dealing with domestic affairs. The position may be called Interior Minister in some countries. Anything to do with UK residents is her area. Another way of wording the question is, since Rudd is the official spokesperson for the government in this area, does the UK government have the mandate to make companies list their foreign employees?

Absolutily not, that goes way too far for me

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 10-09-2016, 11:12

Originally Posted by Pannonian

One question for Brexiters to answer is, does Rudd have the mandate for this?

According to you it has the support of the British people - so I suppose the answer is "yes".

Whether it's a morally defensible measure would be a separate question because democracies are effectively amoral when it comes to foreigners.

**rory_20_uk** · 10-09-2016, 11:29

It is "funny" how everything regarding Brexit has to have a mandate whereas almost all other activities the government does can just sail along; Often when the MPs vote, even if they all unanimously voted for a motion they would still represent less than 50% of the UK populace due to first past the post.

If the relationship between the UK and EU was between two people, the EU would be locked up for aggressive and threatening behaviour. The best argument to remain continues to appear to be that if we leave the other European countries will be as unpleasant as possible - no upside whatsoever.

An economic union such as South Korea has with the EU is clearly possible, so their attitude is intentional.

**Montmorency** · 10-09-2016, 11:36

If the relationship between the UK and EU was between two people

This metaphor is rhetorically inert unless you wish to reorganize your conception of international relations according to it.

**Pannonian** · 10-09-2016, 12:17

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

It is "funny" how everything regarding Brexit has to have a mandate whereas almost all other activities the government does can just sail along; Often when the MPs vote, even if they all unanimously voted for a motion they would still represent less than 50% of the UK populace due to first past the post.

If the relationship between the UK and EU was between two people, the EU would be locked up for aggressive and threatening behaviour. The best argument to remain continues to appear to be that if we leave the other European countries will be as unpleasant as possible - no upside whatsoever.

An economic union such as South Korea has with the EU is clearly possible, so their attitude is intentional.

The mandate bit is important, because the government accepts that it has to do something. What is that something? Does it include the Rudd proposal? Does it include other measures to further clamp down on foreigners? Should the government do these things, if they have popular approval?