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    Default Re: NATO during a Trump Presidency: Stay, Pay, or why don't you all just f-f-fade aw

    He wants you lot to pay a higher share of the freight, I believe, but not to trash the whole thing.
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    Default Re: NATO during a Trump Presidency: Stay, Pay, or why don't you all just f-f-fade aw

    This is so the Baltic states and Finland will pay the 2% and not point to the current freeloaders. This is all about NATO expansion. This has national review play all over it.
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    Finland isn't in NATO, but it certainly contributes more than many members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    This is so the Baltic states and Finland will pay the 2% and not point to the current freeloaders. This is all about NATO expansion. This has national review play all over it.
    not finland and the baltics; 80% of the population and wealth of continental europe!

    poland and the baltics are just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    He wants you lot to pay a higher share of the freight, I believe, but not to trash the whole thing.
    This is a misnomer unless he is suggesting downsizing the American military. You would still be paying out the money, but your troops would be located elsewhere. Elsewhere would also mean a lot less say in how things are done in Europe, and also greater European militaries as a result of paying 'more into the share' will mean the USA has a lot less influence on NATO. At the moment, NATO is effectively the USA controlled, so getting the rest to pay more, means they will remove this control. As you yanks put it "No taxation without representation".
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    Default Re: NATO during a Trump Presidency: Stay, Pay, or why don't you all just f-f-fade aw

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    He wants you lot to pay a higher share of the freight, I believe, but not to trash the whole thing.
    Thats true, but higher defense spending is a) not feasible for all allies due to smaller economies and b) large defense budgets doesnt always mean more participation. Look at Greece, they spend well over the 2% defense spending goal and yet they do basically nothing in the alliance. Then you look at Denmark who spends around 1% on defense spending yet are very active in the alliance, in the Libyan campaign they dropped one fifth of all ordnance dropped by the alliance. So just meeting the defense spending goal does not mean they are actually contributing to the alliance.

    And I should mention that Estonia pays over the 2%, the other two Baltics are around 1.5%. So not so far off.
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