Visor's Small Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Al Sipsclar]

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

I want to talk about this post:



This post is full of contradictions and very little commitments.

He says he's ISO'd everyone but can't make up his mind, and yet lists four or five suspects, a couple of whom have votes and none of whom are DP.

Nothing contradictory with the above. I don't have any certainty, but still can have gut feelings. Planning to lynch another townie today, General?

He says he doesn't like me but he never likes me. This would ordinarily be fine save for the fact that my playstyle this game has been noticeably different than in other recent games and other people have commented on it. I don't think this reasoning holds up under scrutiny.

Why does it matter your playstyle is different this game, I still don't like it.

He eventually waffles and votes DP because he says he wants a resolution, but then he says he supports calls for claims and abandons ship to the Riedquat wagon (Riedquat being still unresolved).

Yes, I waffle. Nothing wrong with that either. I don't have the certainty that you have. I had second thoughts about Choxorn, I WIFOMed on DP, then Stork snapped me out of it.

AlS

Just call me Lou Gehrig.

I'll add pressure to Al Sipsclar until I can come up with a reason not to, or I find something stronger.

Vote: Al Sipsclar

I'm actually fine with my lynch. It sucks being the scummiest townie at lylo, so the sooner the better. Given that I despise logic, have trouble explaining my reads (or verbalizing my thoughts in general) and am easily swayed, my town game is usually poor. But I would rather lynch GH and Pizza before myself. I can also lynch Quat.

I have doubts about:
Monty
Newyn
Choxorn
El Barto

Lean town:
Atheotes
BSmith

Not lynching today:
Stork
Zack
Renata

[Al Sipsclar]

Tally as of post 601:

Lynch votes
2 votes: Newyn (Renata, BSmith)
2 votes: generalhankerchief (Zack, Al Sipsclar)
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (Askthepizzaguy)
1 votes: GH (Montmorency)
1 votes: Stork (El Barto)

Voting history:

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Newyn

Newyn

Al Sipsclar

Al Sipsclar

generalhankerchief

GH

Montmorency

Stork

GeneralHankerchief

[Al Sipsclar]

This post is for the vote counting plugin.

Player list:

• Askthepizzaguy alias ATPG alias Pizza
• El Barto alias Bart alias Tak
• Dp101 alias dp
• Montmorency alias monty
• Riedquat alias kumquat alias reinquat alias reidquat alias quat
• BSmith
• Renata
• Choxorn alias chox
• GeneralHankerchief alias gh alias general alias hanky alias generalhandkerchief alias GeneralHandkerchief alias generalhankerchief
• Zack alias zack
• Stork
• Atheotes
• Al Sipsclar alias Al alias Sipsclar alias Sips alias Al Sip alias Sip alias Al Sips alias AlS
• Newyn
• Scarlett Aria alias Scarlett alias Aria alias Scarlet alias Scarlet Aria

[Al Sipsclar]

Tally as of post 603:

Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Zack, Montmorency, Al Sipsclar)
2 votes: Newyn (Renata, BSmith)
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (Askthepizzaguy)
1 votes: Stork (El Barto)

Voting history:

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Newyn

Newyn

Al Sipsclar

Al Sipsclar

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

Montmorency

Stork

GeneralHankerchief

[Montmorency]

lol

Unvote: GH

Vote: gh

It might be best to adjust the script to ignore letter case.

[Newyn]

how does "unlikely but not impossible" fit with me being a wolf anyway newyn?

You're saying the Alette kill rules you out of been scum. I'm saying while the Alette kill reduces the likelihood of you been scum, it isn't a sure thing. Basically I'm reading you as scummy despite the Alette kill pointing towards you not been scum.

[Stork]

You're saying the Alette kill rules you out of been scum. I'm saying while the Alette kill reduces the likelihood of you been scum, it isn't a sure thing. Basically I'm reading you as scummy despite the Alette kill pointing towards you not been scum.

why?

[Newyn]

The voices in my head says so.

[Choxorn]

I don't think Stork is scum, but given how he's acted today, I can't blame anyone for voting him and I wouldn't care much if he died.

To conclude, I also think that Riedquat should be destroyed, and I'm rather upset he doesn't have any votes on him right now. Allow me to rectify that.

Vote: Riedquat

[Newyn]

Vote: Choxorn

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: Al Sipsclar

Vote: choxorn

With plenty of time for you to come back and give me a name other than Riedquat.

[Renata]

Monty's going to be mad at me again tomorrow morning, I can see it now.

[Renata]

Maybe I'll just flip a coin.

[Montmorency]

Monty's going to be mad at me again tomorrow morning, I can see it now.

What's going on?

[Renata]

GH vs choxorn wagons, hypothetically, and this time I'd probably vote for choxorn but you're on GH.

[Montmorency]

This is kind of a troubling situation, with wagons waiting for Choxorn, GH, Newyn, Riedquat, and Al Sipsclar.

Insofar as they're involved with voting each other...

[Renata]

Confusing, for sure, but troubling?

[Montmorency]

It's more productive to assume that the above set of 5 does not include all the scum. But then, at the moment I have no reason to jump around candidates if permutations and uncertainty are rising. Unless there is an actual new development I should just commit to my current read and face the consequences. I hope GH takes the opportunity to say a few things about the field.

[Renata]

Meh.

[Montmorency]

It's more productive to assume that the above set of 5 does not include all the scum.

I say this because - assuming 3 scum - approaching the situation as a bussing merry-go-round robs the permutations of weight and invites a coin-flip.

Assuming only 1 scum among the set means the interactions within the set are much less usable.

If there are two scum there, and they are GH and Choxorn, then they are playing limply without much self-defense. That scenario is much less likely now. It could be a straightforward bussing scenario with Al Sipsclar and GH (who hasn't voted yet however), but there's no particular reason to take that scenario beyond individually suspecting them. GH is oddly subdued for either alignment and hasn't given much to work with. If he is scum, he could certainly use his skills to develop another wagon to deflect from himself and partner(s).

[Montmorency]

Maybe I should just forget everything and wildcard at EOD.

[Montmorency]

Just because it's likelier than not, I'll list what I have in mind for permutations involving only 1 among [Newyn, Al Sipsclar, Riedquat, Choxorn, GH) as scum:

Al Sipsclar: Pizza-atheotes

GH: Renata/Stork-Barto

[Askthepizzaguy]

Too complicated again, I can't really follow.

Who is scum and why. I am not interested in extra scenarios for who is cleared if x is scum or vice versa.

[Renata]

GH is scum for tunneling one player per day thus far and showing little to no interest beyond that.
Newyn is scum for showing up to dp's lynch to call me scummy but not change his vote.
Riedquat is scum for one post that sort of looked like taunting dp on his way out.
Choxorn is scum because I don't know why choxorn is scum. Choxorn is always scum. I can't read him, so I'd rather he was dead.
Al Sipsclar is scum for some crappy posts on day one. I don't know what to make of his incredibly different single post on day two.
El Barto is scum for lacking much energy beyond tunneling Monty.

[Renata]

Monty's scum because paranoia.
Zack's scum because Zack.
You're scum because you could pull this off so far with one hand tied behind your back.
BSmith would disappoint me deeply if he's scum.
I don't think atheotes is scum.
Stork's not scum.
I'm not scum.

[Riedquat]

Vote: Al Sips

I'm not against of removing myself from the equation, so if any of you has doubts just go ahead and lynch me now, the sooner, the painless it would be!

[Renata]

You and al sips should get together and lynch yourselves, but leave the rest of us out of it please.

[Montmorency]

Just to sum up so far:

Renata and BSmith vote Newyn.
Pizza votes Al Sipsclar, then I do.
Zack votes GH and I join, then Al Sipsclar does.
Choxorn votes Riedquat.
Newyn votes Choxorn.
Pizza switches to Choxorn.
Riedquat votes Al Sipsclar.

My hackles are raised about Riedquat until the next thing happens. GH's vote, once it comes, will define the dynamic through EOD I believe.

[Renata]

El Barto was voting you, then switched to Stork for unmentionable reasons.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Monty's scum because paranoia.
Zack's scum because Zack.
You're scum because you could pull this off so far with one hand tied behind your back.
BSmith would disappoint me deeply if he's scum.
I don't think atheotes is scum.
Stork's not scum.
I'm not scum.

I'm not sold. Where's the antics? I need to be pulling some antics if I'm scum.