Visor's Small Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Renata]

Pizza-friend! Quick quiz: Why are you scum, in 100 words or less. Go.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza-friend! Quick quiz: Why are you scum, in 100 words or less. Go.

Mostly because that's what I randed, but possibly because even when I'm town, I'm a scummy scumbag who lies and manipulates people in order to achieve my goals of domination and destruction.

[Renata]

I don't see much in the way of manipulation. Just that you voted for two townies and counting, and your faffing about in respect to Newyn is unconvincing. I mean, that Al sipsclar vote sucked.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't see much in the way of manipulation. Just that you voted for two townies and counting, and your faffing about in respect to Newyn is unconvincing. I mean, that Al sipsclar vote sucked.

If you say so. I think he's a great lynch, and I would definitely lynch him if there was support.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think the weakest push on me so far is the bit about Newyn. It's pretty clear from the context of my posts that I was giving my impression of his meta, not an assessment of his alignment this game.

It's nice that folks think it's a slam dunk case, so when it isn't, they should probably have a contingency plan for tomorrow, if they're town and still alive.

[Renata]

It stinks when you're mafia and El Barto comes after you for the wrong reason, doesn't it?

My reason is not the same as his, by the way, if you didn't notice.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It stinks when you're mafia and El Barto comes after you for the wrong reason, doesn't it?

My reason is not the same as his, by the way, if you didn't notice.

Yeah, what's the worst is that thing where people go "oh it's too bad you randed scum, isn't it" etc and I have to listen to that all round. I'll keep posting as long as I don't have to continue reading that kinda nonsense. Otherwise, I'll post my reads and my final vote and walk away.

I just dealt with that crap in the hydra game, from none other than soah, who should know better. You should too.

[Renata]

I don't know what Hydra game you're talking about. If you think I'm coming after you because of some kindof vague Pizza paranoia, you'd be wrong.

I'm short on time until much later today, but tell me who's scum and why.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Its not cute, and I'm already annoyed. Just saying.

[Renata]

'if they're town and still alive"

Should I break out the bulletproof vest?

[Askthepizzaguy]

3. ATPG - Choxorn

14. Novice
4. BSmith
1. Renata

7. Montmorency
8. Seireikhaan
12. Newyn

9. Al Sipsclar
6. El Barto
13. Atheotes

This is what I've got. I'd look inside that bottom three sooner rather than later. If you have an actual case on the next group of three I'm listening.

I don't have a big case to push on any of them. I just think no one is willing to look there and they haven't been especially townie in my book.

I have no power that you'll miss out on if I get lynched. Only issue is you're closer to lylo, so enjoy.

[Montmorency]

I can't believe nobody's confronted Pizza with this dodgy case on Dp.

Best case against Pizza. I missed it and I even cited scum-Pizza's shading of DP in the last game.

Mostly because that's what I randed

Next-best case against Pizza.

Adding to an earlier comment, I suggest that if Khaan is actually town, then Pizza's first vote of today (on Atheotes) makes Atheotes likely as a scum. Pizza breadcrumbs partners with his initial votes when he becomes center of attention, I think.

Vote: Pizza

What Riedquat/novice did wasn't pristine, but I don't think a scum novice would pick out that fact about Pizza's D1 presentation. Hardly even makes sense if novice had been following the game expecting to sub in for scum, which is a silly thought itself.

[Montmorency]

Pizza, expand your thoughts on BSmith?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, expand your thoughts on BSmith?

Still the same thoughts as before.

I can go back and expand on it and re-examine it. It's an old read atp.

[BSmith]

Probably hasn't changed much if only because I haven't posted much since. I am now in Manila and present again. Not necessarily coherent but present. I'm indecisive and extremely susceptible to manipulation. I don't have strong scum feelings on anyone really and open to sheeping again today.

[BSmith]

My above post was in response to pizza.

I tend to fall into the Renata camp of thinking here.

[Renata]

I don't like atheotes kind of pointless 'suspicion' of me and Zack; it seems kind of pro-forma. Other than that he's been fine. I have nothing in particular on Sips or El Barto, especially with choxorn being dead town. Those guys are why I want last night's extra shot to claim. Zack was outside my personal POE and I'm not happy.

Pizza, if you can't see a case on GH/Khaan by now especially after that terrible catch-up thing Khaan pulled out last night, I don't know what to say. That's why I'm suspicious of you, as much as anything. Khaan needs to die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't like atheotes kind of pointless 'suspicion' of me and Zack; it seems kind of pro-forma. Other than that he's been fine. I have nothing in particular on Sips or El Barto, especially with choxorn being dead town. Those guys are why I want last night's extra shot to claim. Zack was outside my personal POE and I'm not happy.

Pizza, if you can't see a case on GH/Khaan by now especially after that terrible catch-up thing Khaan pulled out last night, I don't know what to say. That's why I'm suspicious of you, as much as anything. Khaan needs to die.

I don't know how you could have possibly cleared Zack before his flip.

As for Khaan, he's only not green in my list because I'm deliberately disregarding the reasons why I think that slot is town. But I think it's silly to lynch there next.

[Renata]

Pizza's list is pretty much opposite mine. He's going for a team of lurkers, more or less, who have managed through sheer luck to make it this far without ever being voted for pretty much, much less lynched. Damn, they're good?

I'm going for precisely the opposite.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza's list is pretty much opposite mine. He's going for a team of lurkers, more or less, who have managed through sheer luck to make it this far without ever being voted for pretty much, much less lynched. Damn, they're good?

I'm going for precisely the opposite.

There are several low posters in my town reads list.

I think there are bunches of townie low posters too. I think the game is full of people who haven't been posting much, and I don't happen to think the top poster is scum.

Guess where that will inevitably lead.

[Renata]

Re: Zack, not cleared, but there was in all practicality no way I was voting for him ahead of a half dozen other people.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Re: Zack, not cleared, but there was in all practicality no way I was voting for him ahead of a half dozen other people.

That's fine, I'm glad someone can read Zack, because I cannot.

[Askthepizzaguy]

By the way, in case you hadn't noticed, atheotes is in the more talkative half of this game.

[seireikhaan]

Pizza, if you can't see a case on GH/Khaan by now especially after that terrible catch-up thing Khaan pulled out last night, I don't know what to say. That's why I'm suspicious of you, as much as anything. Khaan needs to die.

....Ow? Mind elaborating?

Vote: Al Sipsclair

I'm sticking to my guns for now. Sips has been mostly inactive and seems content to just try and rebound fire against himself.

[novice]

Looking briefly at seireikhaan:

Al Sips: Low relative activity. Post 330 strikes some scum radar for me - types words, but none of it really means much. Some admitted hesitance is fine, though. Saying he'd leave someone who came out town as someone to end game strikes me as a bit perfect information syndrome-y. Saying people he doesn't like doesn't add anything. Revenge voted for GH today adding a fairly vindictive "Planning to lynch another townie today, General?". Seems PIS-y, as well as possibly hoping to out someone on his trail if mafia. Strong scum lean.

There is some "maaybe you have a point" to this, but I struggle to see how it adds up to a strong scum lean.

Vote: Al Sipsclair

I'm sticking to my guns for now. Sips has been mostly inactive and seems content to just try and rebound fire against himself.

Then you vote him today with an incredibly generic followup reason which doesn't even particularly apply. Al Sips actually said it would be a relief to be lynched.

In short, even without judging Al Sips alignment, the reasons for your vote are not very believable.

As for the incident which we are banned from discussing, I'd love to discuss it. But let's just say I think in the end it's not alignment indicative.

Renata, what are your (additional) reasons for voting Seireikhaan? The day one Dp101 push?

[Askthepizzaguy]

My team of lurking scums I came up with, based on post count.

1. Renata
7. Montmorency
3. ATPG
6. El Barto <-----4th most talkative living player, guy I accused.
13. Atheotes <----- 5th most talkative living player, guy I accused.
14. Riedquat/novice <----Guy I've defended
8. Seireikhaan <----Guy I'm not pushing
9. Al Sipsclar <----Guy I voted once and still suspect but am looking other places.
12. Newyn <----Guy I'm not pushing.
4. BSmith <------Guy I said is town.


Look at that team of lurkers I came up with.

Renata do me a favor and drop all the bullshit and start playing the game in a somewhat straightforward manner.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I also wonder where I ever implied they must be a team.

It's gonna be a pretty shitty endgame where people have to re-examine a whole lot, with no dead scums, and everyone's smug assumptions no longer around to keep them company.

[Renata]

You're way too unhappy, Pizza. I don't know if it's an act.

In regards to lurking, I apologize for my imprecise language. I mean they're not saying much or pushing much, regardless of how much they chatter. And ElBarto and atheotes' talk, productve or not, was almost all day one.

[Montmorency]

Tu quoque is not a defense of one's own behavior.

You made an argument that in itself applies just as well to you as to the players you highlighted. So why should we use to it vote some player as opposed to using it to vote you? Other arguments against your list (as a group) haven't amounted to much...

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're way too unhappy, Pizza. I don't know if it's an act.

In regards to lurking, I apologize for my imprecise language. I mean they're not saying much or pushing much, regardless of how much they chatter. And ElBarto and atheotes' talk, productve or not, was almost all day one.

You can chalk up the first thing and the second thing to the events of day 2, in my case, and then in my opinion.

Doesn't tell you much about alignment because I think it impacted everyone. I'm looking at vote pattern and assuming scums just pushed townies all game and avoided talking about or voting one another, because there was no reason not to.