Visor's Small Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't see much in the way of manipulation. Just that you voted for two townies and counting, and your faffing about in respect to Newyn is unconvincing. I mean, that Al sipsclar vote sucked.

If you say so. I think he's a great lynch, and I would definitely lynch him if there was support.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think the weakest push on me so far is the bit about Newyn. It's pretty clear from the context of my posts that I was giving my impression of his meta, not an assessment of his alignment this game.

It's nice that folks think it's a slam dunk case, so when it isn't, they should probably have a contingency plan for tomorrow, if they're town and still alive.

[Renata]

It stinks when you're mafia and El Barto comes after you for the wrong reason, doesn't it?

My reason is not the same as his, by the way, if you didn't notice.

[Renata]

'if they're town and still alive"

Should I break out the bulletproof vest?

[Askthepizzaguy]

It stinks when you're mafia and El Barto comes after you for the wrong reason, doesn't it?

My reason is not the same as his, by the way, if you didn't notice.

Yeah, what's the worst is that thing where people go "oh it's too bad you randed scum, isn't it" etc and I have to listen to that all round. I'll keep posting as long as I don't have to continue reading that kinda nonsense. Otherwise, I'll post my reads and my final vote and walk away.

I just dealt with that crap in the hydra game, from none other than soah, who should know better. You should too.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Its not cute, and I'm already annoyed. Just saying.

[Renata]

I don't know what Hydra game you're talking about. If you think I'm coming after you because of some kindof vague Pizza paranoia, you'd be wrong.

I'm short on time until much later today, but tell me who's scum and why.

[Askthepizzaguy]

3. ATPG - Choxorn

14. Novice
4. BSmith
1. Renata

7. Montmorency
8. Seireikhaan
12. Newyn

9. Al Sipsclar
6. El Barto
13. Atheotes

This is what I've got. I'd look inside that bottom three sooner rather than later. If you have an actual case on the next group of three I'm listening.

I don't have a big case to push on any of them. I just think no one is willing to look there and they haven't been especially townie in my book.

I have no power that you'll miss out on if I get lynched. Only issue is you're closer to lylo, so enjoy.

[Montmorency]

I can't believe nobody's confronted Pizza with this dodgy case on Dp.

Best case against Pizza. I missed it and I even cited scum-Pizza's shading of DP in the last game.

Mostly because that's what I randed

Next-best case against Pizza.

Adding to an earlier comment, I suggest that if Khaan is actually town, then Pizza's first vote of today (on Atheotes) makes Atheotes likely as a scum. Pizza breadcrumbs partners with his initial votes when he becomes center of attention, I think.

Vote: Pizza

What Riedquat/novice did wasn't pristine, but I don't think a scum novice would pick out that fact about Pizza's D1 presentation. Hardly even makes sense if novice had been following the game expecting to sub in for scum, which is a silly thought itself.

[Montmorency]

Pizza, expand your thoughts on BSmith?

[Renata]

I don't like atheotes kind of pointless 'suspicion' of me and Zack; it seems kind of pro-forma. Other than that he's been fine. I have nothing in particular on Sips or El Barto, especially with choxorn being dead town. Those guys are why I want last night's extra shot to claim. Zack was outside my personal POE and I'm not happy.

Pizza, if you can't see a case on GH/Khaan by now especially after that terrible catch-up thing Khaan pulled out last night, I don't know what to say. That's why I'm suspicious of you, as much as anything. Khaan needs to die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't like atheotes kind of pointless 'suspicion' of me and Zack; it seems kind of pro-forma. Other than that he's been fine. I have nothing in particular on Sips or El Barto, especially with choxorn being dead town. Those guys are why I want last night's extra shot to claim. Zack was outside my personal POE and I'm not happy.

Pizza, if you can't see a case on GH/Khaan by now especially after that terrible catch-up thing Khaan pulled out last night, I don't know what to say. That's why I'm suspicious of you, as much as anything. Khaan needs to die.

I don't know how you could have possibly cleared Zack before his flip.

As for Khaan, he's only not green in my list because I'm deliberately disregarding the reasons why I think that slot is town. But I think it's silly to lynch there next.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, expand your thoughts on BSmith?

Still the same thoughts as before.

I can go back and expand on it and re-examine it. It's an old read atp.

[Renata]

Pizza's list is pretty much opposite mine. He's going for a team of lurkers, more or less, who have managed through sheer luck to make it this far without ever being voted for pretty much, much less lynched. Damn, they're good?

I'm going for precisely the opposite.

[BSmith]

Probably hasn't changed much if only because I haven't posted much since. I am now in Manila and present again. Not necessarily coherent but present. I'm indecisive and extremely susceptible to manipulation. I don't have strong scum feelings on anyone really and open to sheeping again today.

[BSmith]

My above post was in response to pizza.

I tend to fall into the Renata camp of thinking here.

[Renata]

Re: Zack, not cleared, but there was in all practicality no way I was voting for him ahead of a half dozen other people.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza's list is pretty much opposite mine. He's going for a team of lurkers, more or less, who have managed through sheer luck to make it this far without ever being voted for pretty much, much less lynched. Damn, they're good?

I'm going for precisely the opposite.

There are several low posters in my town reads list.

I think there are bunches of townie low posters too. I think the game is full of people who haven't been posting much, and I don't happen to think the top poster is scum.

Guess where that will inevitably lead.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Re: Zack, not cleared, but there was in all practicality no way I was voting for him ahead of a half dozen other people.

That's fine, I'm glad someone can read Zack, because I cannot.

[Askthepizzaguy]

By the way, in case you hadn't noticed, atheotes is in the more talkative half of this game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now it looks like there've been a ton of townies being voted for all game.

And no one has been pushing on several people.

Guess where the scums probably are, given the low talking and recent exposure to power wolfing we've gotten from other websites.

They're not bussing. They're not suspecting and they're not voting one another. So I'd probably go with that.

But keep pushing me today, that will end really well for you Ren.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My team of lurking scums I came up with, based on post count.

1. Renata
7. Montmorency
3. ATPG
6. El Barto <-----4th most talkative living player, guy I accused.
13. Atheotes <----- 5th most talkative living player, guy I accused.
14. Riedquat/novice <----Guy I've defended
8. Seireikhaan <----Guy I'm not pushing
9. Al Sipsclar <----Guy I voted once and still suspect but am looking other places.
12. Newyn <----Guy I'm not pushing.
4. BSmith <------Guy I said is town.


Look at that team of lurkers I came up with.

Renata do me a favor and drop all the bullshit and start playing the game in a somewhat straightforward manner.

[Montmorency]

They're not bussing. They're not suspecting and they're not voting one another. So I'd probably go with that.

Most of the activity beside DP101 has been a set of Al Sipsclar, Riedquat/novice, GH/khaan, Newyn, and Choxorn voting between one another.

This could apply to you just as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I also wonder where I ever implied they must be a team.

It's gonna be a pretty shitty endgame where people have to re-examine a whole lot, with no dead scums, and everyone's smug assumptions no longer around to keep them company.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Most of the activity beside DP101 has been a set of Al Sipsclar, Riedquat/novice, GH/khaan, Newyn, and Choxorn voting between one another.

This could apply to you just as well.

Tu quoque is not a defense of one's own behavior.

What I'm saying is, if you're going to paint a picture of what I'm saying, be kind to me and say what it is I've actually said, and make what you're saying fit some facts.

I voted 2 townies, yep. For that reason I must be scum. Good, I'm glad we sorted that out. I guess everyone else has a sterling record and mine's the worst.

What applies to me that applies to everyone isn't a great case. And I do happen to be town, fyi in case anyone gives a damn. But I don't care, I will lynch today and you guys can sort out the mess. As I said, you won't be missing out on anything when I die.

[Renata]

You're way too unhappy, Pizza. I don't know if it's an act.

In regards to lurking, I apologize for my imprecise language. I mean they're not saying much or pushing much, regardless of how much they chatter. And ElBarto and atheotes' talk, productve or not, was almost all day one.

[Renata]

You may be right. But if there's powerwolfing going on, it's probably not in the group of people who haven't even needed to powerwolf, as they've never been threatened one bit.

[Montmorency]

Tu quoque is not a defense of one's own behavior.

You made an argument that in itself applies just as well to you as to the players you highlighted. So why should we use to it vote some player as opposed to using it to vote you? Other arguments against your list (as a group) haven't amounted to much...

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're way too unhappy, Pizza. I don't know if it's an act.

In regards to lurking, I apologize for my imprecise language. I mean they're not saying much or pushing much, regardless of how much they chatter. And ElBarto and atheotes' talk, productve or not, was almost all day one.

You can chalk up the first thing and the second thing to the events of day 2, in my case, and then in my opinion.

Doesn't tell you much about alignment because I think it impacted everyone. I'm looking at vote pattern and assuming scums just pushed townies all game and avoided talking about or voting one another, because there was no reason not to.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You may be right. But if there's powerwolfing going on, it's probably not in the group of people who haven't even needed to powerwolf, as they've never been threatened one bit.

Powerwolfing in this context merely means voting townies and not pushing one another.

If they're not under vote threat or even being talked about, bussing is not the only option, not bussing usually works better anyway.

It may not be those specific people, but we're never going to get anywhere if the game just stagnates with the same suspects.

Talking about khaan and novice, whose slots have been under lazy suspicion all game, is fine, as long as I can talk about some new people.

Can we add more people to the topic?

And you can throw my name in there. I haven't done anything to get town-read this game. That's also fine. Sucks, but it's how it is.

The point is, they need to be discussed. You wait until the final rounds, everyone who is an easy lock townie read or slot will be dead by then.

You discuss it now while I'm still here to give an opinion on it. And you too, Renata.