Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
Right now I couldn't give a damn where someone is voting.
I do care what they're talking about and who. And I'm not impressed by the content so far.
Especially if they resist me on this point, I will bite down and never let go. I want to hear opinions on those slots that haven't been discussed.
If that's not cool, I will expend the remainder of my energy caring about this game going to war about it.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
That all sounds like your typical scum device, but fine:
Most of the case against atheotes as I see it would be a continuation of my "stagnant" pursuit of the DP101 file, which you didn't feel was worth commenting on. Aside from atheotes not having to throw in much of himself - which on the long trend is in character as either alignment for him - and my idea, what do you think we have to talk about in regard to him? He may or may not be scum, but he's worth talking about - so is there anything else you can say?
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
Talk us through why you lynched Dp, Pizza.
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....Ow? Mind elaborating?Originally Posted by Renata
Vote: Al Sipsclair
I'm sticking to my guns for now. Sips has been mostly inactive and seems content to just try and rebound fire against himself.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
Uh huh. I subbed in, noted that my role was under a high probability of immediate lynch, so naturally, as mafia, I refused to read my teammates.... Do you think I've never played this game before?
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
So Pizza isn't your teammate then?
Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
There may be some uninterpretable votes that are not included in the voting history of these tallies.
Day 1 lynch tally:
Lynch votes
5 votes: Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief, atheotes, Newyn, Askthepizzaguy, Renata)
5 votes: Riedquat (Choxorn, Stork, Al Sipsclar, Dp101, Montmorency)
2 votes: Montmorency (El Barto, Scarlett Aria)
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (BSmith)
1 votes: newyn (Zack)
1 votes: No Lynch (Riedquat)
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Day 2 lynch tally:
Lynch votes
5 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Zack, Al Sipsclar, Montmorency, Renata, Choxorn)
5 votes: Choxorn (Newyn, Askthepizzaguy, Riedquat, seireikhaan, atheotes)
1 votes: Newyn (BSmith)
1 votes: Riedquat (El Barto)
Not voting: Stork
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
Confirmed villagers marked with strikethrough.
- Newyn, Askthepizzaguy, GH/seireikhaan, atheotes voted as a block on a townie on both days.
- Choxorn, Al Sipsclar, and Montmorency voted as a block on both days.
- Day 1 was villager vs. villager so things are not quite as simple as they seem though.
Day 1 lynch tally:
Lynch votes
5 votes:Dp101(GeneralHankerchief, atheotes, Newyn, Askthepizzaguy, Renata)
5 votes: Riedquat (Choxorn,Stork, Al Sipsclar,Dp101, Montmorency)
2 votes: Montmorency (El Barto,Scarlett Aria)
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (BSmith)
1 votes: newyn (Zack)
1 votes: No Lynch (Riedquat)
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Day 2 lynch tally:
Lynch votes
5 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Zack, Al Sipsclar, Montmorency, Renata,Choxorn)
5 votes:Choxorn(Newyn, Askthepizzaguy, Riedquat, seireikhaan, atheotes)
1 votes: Newyn (BSmith)
1 votes: Riedquat (El Barto)
Not voting:Stork
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Tally as of post 758
Tally as of post 758:
Lynch votes
2 votes: Askthepizzaguy (novice, Montmorency)
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Renata)
1 votes: atheotes (Askthepizzaguy)
1 votes: Al Sipsclair (seireikhaan)
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Key for this portion:
D1Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
5 votes: Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief/khaan, atheotes, Newyn, Askthepizzaguy, Renata)
5 votes: Riedquat/novice (Choxorn, Stork, Al Sipsclar, Dp101, Montmorency)
2 votes: Montmorency (El Barto, Scarlett Aria)
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (BSmith)
1 votes: newyn (Zack)
1 votes: No Lynch (Riedquat/novice)
D2
5 votes: GeneralHankerchief/khaan (Zack, Al Sipsclar, Montmorency, Renata, Choxorn)
5 votes: Choxorn (Newyn, Askthepizzaguy, Riedquat/novice, GH/seireikhaan, atheotes)
1 votes: Newyn (BSmith)
1 votes: Riedquat/novice (El Barto)
Not voting: Stork
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Al's vote for dp, then Riedquat, looks like he doesn't care which of them gets lynched as long as one of them does.
Note Riedquat's vote placement at end of day 1.
D2 History:
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The vote that jumps out at me here is atheotes' vote to tie it up at the very end of d2.
I may not have all the votes here, if the vote counter missed them. But these are the ones I can easily find.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
Note for above post, that is me looking at the vote pattern with my previous leans. I'm not done doing analysis so those leans can change and do not represent finalized leans.
I just needed workspace so I can visualize it.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
TLDR version
Riedquat's vote on d1 and behavior all game doesn't lend itself to a scum read from me.
GH is less clear, but because reasons, he's also a town read from me.
And our worst case scenario is when they're both townies, so we have to look at that. I also think it's more than 50% probable. Maybe a lot more.
Looking at that scenario, you see questionable vote patterns emerge.
I don't know what Al's doing this game with his vote, but it's not townie stuff. I also think the votes on Al came from townies this game, and weren't picked up on because it's tough to build a case for Al, and everyone was demoralized yesterday, and scums seemed to have a comfortable position, not needing to bus.
Unless Newyn was scum, in which case, they got pressure recently.
Atheotes' final vote on d2 is the clear winner of the worst vote of the game contest, I don't need an explanation or even context to see that. That's just clear from the vote tally.
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You know, I'm not sold on Newyn, but I trust the folks who have voted for him. If you need a fourth, that's my fourth.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
Half dead townies, half my strongest town reads are there.
I don't know if it's right, and I think Al and atheotes have worse vote patterns. But I'll vote with those people if that's my fourth option or it's him v me.
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Re: Tally as of post 758
2 votes: Askthepizzaguy (novice, Montmorency)
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Renata) <-----Remove votes from here
1 votes: atheotes (Askthepizzaguy) <--------Put votes here
1 votes: Al Sipsclair (seireikhaan) <--------Put votes here
Want to leave me dangling at the top, feel free. I just want those two as my counter wagons.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
Re: Atheotes, if you take for argument's sake that Khaan/GH is town, then why would Atheotes' vote be scummy? If scum was chilling out and riding on a demoralized town then an EOD chaos vote is not a credible scum move. I could see him as scum, but not for this and not today. Otherwise, atheotes' pattern is indistinguishable from yours (only item is the D1 DP101 vote).
What's your analysis of Barto?
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
Looking briefly at seireikhaan:
There is some "maaybe you have a point" to this, but I struggle to see how it adds up to a strong scum lean.
Then you vote him today with an incredibly generic followup reason which doesn't even particularly apply. Al Sips actually said it would be a relief to be lynched.
In short, even without judging Al Sips alignment, the reasons for your vote are not very believable.
As for the incident which we are banned from discussing, I'd love to discuss it. But let's just say I think in the end it's not alignment indicative.
Renata, what are your (additional) reasons for voting Seireikhaan? The day one Dp101 push?
Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
Pizza, you're saying Al Sips is scum for his voting pattern, right? Any other reasons? What specifically about the votes makes him scum?
Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
Atheotes' vote is scummy because he waited all round to make a move, then his move was to go against the 5 vote lead wagon on someone a lot of folks found scummy. The slot is probably town, and keeping a mislynch alive is a great idea. If the khaan slot dies, he looks better for voting for the not cleared choxorn, and if the slot doesn't die, he can blame others for driving the lynch and simply suggest that GH/khaan looked townie to him. It's defensible both ways, and both ways causes headaches for town.
Pattern is indistinguishable from mine if you are deliberately trying to not look for distinguishing characteristics. So you're either playing devil's advocate or you can be scum atp.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
That's the meat and potatoes of why he needs to be looked at. I can dress it up with cheese and onions, but what I gave you should be enough to do your own analysis. I haven't finished mine yet, I will need to iso everyone, starting with the folks I've named.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
I also think that if Al would find it a relief to be lynched then we should give him his earned respite.
Sounds like he doesn't want to pretend to be town.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
I think the bottom line is 3 townies.
I think the second to bottom line contains another townie, possibly two, but I'm not feeling the "same with Monty."
If I'm mafia something that didn't happen this game. Kind of random declarations about dp's wagon which are generic.
I can't make up my mind = struggling to be a scum. Particularly given how he has five suspects. Sounds like he's found his mislynches.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
Is it more scummy than if he had made it earlier? Why? The same logic you present still applies, and in a way that draws less attention to himself.Atheotes' vote is scummy because he waited all round to make a move, then his move was to go against the 5 vote lead wagon on someone a lot of folks found scummy. The slot is probably town, and keeping a mislynch alive is a great idea. If the khaan slot dies, he looks better for voting for the not cleared choxorn, and if the slot doesn't die, he can blame others for driving the lynch and simply suggest that GH/khaan looked townie to him. It's defensible both ways, and both ways causes headaches for town.
In fact, atheotes gave his reasoning as finding nothing scummy about Khaan, so scum atheotes would gain nothing by playing that move later rather than earlier.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
^
Shifts the blame to Stork while voting for quat, then asks for a claim and tells people he's leaving, thus preventing him from moving his vote even if there is a claim.
Given that Riedquat was his suspect, he made no positive effort to defend his vote with reasons why quat was scummy, and doesn't seem to even want to embrace his own suspicion on quat, preferring to pre-emptively defend his vote reasoning as following Stork.
It's not a slam dunk but the next day when votes arrive, his wagon stalls.
And we'd rather not talk about him yet, because reasons.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
Scummy people don't do scummy things, because it draws attention to themselves.
Nevermind the fact that I'm the only one discussing it and we'd better wait until tomorrow at the earliest to take a look at him.
Lol u monty.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
That's what I was getting at?Scummy people don't do scummy things, because it draws attention to themselves.
What?Nevermind the fact that I'm the only one discussing it and we'd better wait until tomorrow at the earliest to take a look at him.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
772 and 774 is the extent of where I stand on Al Sipsclar. He's got something like 19 posts of mostly empty space, the two posts I picked out are the problem.
Atheotes will take a bit longer to unpack, so I'll pick this up tomorrow.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
"Not today".
Plus whitewashing the vote record as being indistinguishable.
You are quite distinguished yourself at this point.
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Re: Visor's Small Mafia Game [In Play]
So your top suspect is Al, ok. Any preliminary comments on your third suspect?
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Why thank you.You are quite distinguished yourself at this point.
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