Visor's Small Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Renata]

11 left, 4? mafia would make tomorrow LYLO. Time to get in a lynch from each "group". We need to consolidate. I'm fine with Al Sips as one candidate. Pizza or Khaan as the other and why?

[Zack]

go town style comment

[Renata]

Newyn looks better to me on re-read, but I'm not convinced. There's very little to go on. Mostly, it's that the stork-wolf read was so incredibly pointless, if scum.

[Renata]

Khann's catch-up post, otherwise known as Exhibit A why I think he's mafia.

Oooookay, in summary, let's summarize:


Renata: Pretty friendly, much appreciated. Nice to see a recognizable face around. Could be the difference of 4-5 years, my advancing age, rampant alcoholism, or the PTSD of losing my Pokemon Moon nuzlocke team to the champion, but she seems a decent bit chattier than I remember for this early on. Reading the thread blind and knowing nothing about them, I liked the case against DP and would not fault people for voting for him. Mild town lead, seems a bit too chatty overall for mafia is my gut.

Stork: Something seems off here. Is english your first language? Tone and text are confusing me a bit. Tends to post in batches, which could be an excuse to appear visible without having to decide things at EOD. Discussion of Scarlett Aria kill is complete WIFOM and totally pointless as a defense. Mild, leaning to strong, scum lean.

Tangential comment -- Another Stork scum read, and I guess calls into question my lessening my scum read on Newyn for doing the exact same thing.

Askthepizzaguy: Like I can read this guy. My best chance at deciphering pizza is with LYLO shenanigans. Next.

El Barto: Like I can read this guy either. Next.

Bsmith: Currently afk-ish in the Phillipines on business. Try to enjoy yourself if you can, and watch out for army majors. Anyways, not a ton to read on. Early joke on Al Sips, who I have some suspicion towards, raises a small flag, but that's about as much as I have. Slightly scum lean.


Monty: Both his original case and wanting to save DP(who he apparently can read better than me) seem authentic in my opinion. Could be a case of maf trying to build cred by "trying" to save a doomed townie, but that seems less likely(maybe 30-40% chance) than he simply had a better read on DP than those not familiar with him. That said, I'll need some better explanation on the vote for GH/me for being "polished". GH has played the game, strictly speaking, longer on the .org here any any present, so polish is.... bad? Clarification? Could be looking to get on a convenient wagon. Unsure lean, d1 seems likelier town, d2 confusing that.


Al Sips: Low relative activity. Post 330 strikes some scum radar for me - types words, but none of it really means much. Some admitted hesitance is fine, though. Saying he'd leave someone who came out town as someone to end game strikes me as a bit perfect information syndrome-y. Saying people he doesn't like doesn't add anything. Revenge voted for GH today adding a fairly vindictive "Planning to lynch another townie today, General?". Seems PIS-y, as well as possibly hoping to out someone on his trail if mafia. Strong scum lean.

While I can see Al Sips as scum, I cannot see Al Sips as scum for almost any of these reasons. That raises a red flag for me. It's the opposite of a mind-meld.

Zack: Decent enough case on Newynn on day 1 and pursued it appropriately if he felt decently about it. I tend to agree with most of the posts he's made except on possible Stork Scum which might be a troubling sign. @Zack explanation for current day's vote? Decent town lean.

I feel like 'decent town lean' for someone who's voting on you requires a little more self-convincing than this. At least there should be a reason. Explanation? It was clear enough. He didn't like a few of GH's comments, right before he voted. This is a weirdly unfocused question, under the circumstances.

Choxorn: Lurking, relatively speaking. Ironically asks of Riedquat : "Did you just think you'd try to get a post in and make it look like you were doing something?" While himself being quite low poster. Gave a basic recount of his accusation of Riedquat's D1 post on D2, but it feels to me like the kind of thing I do on occasion as mafia where I just latch on to one bad post from someone relativley under the radar to get "free" votes off. Strong scum lean.

Strong scum lean on a guy who's done basically nothing out of the ordinary for him and nothing different from what half the game has done at least once so far at that? And it just so happens to be a strong scum lean on the guy he needs to vote to self-pres? (And who happened to be town at that, something I was actually expecting after reading this post!) This is the 'read' that made me go 'yeah right' last night.

Newyn: Gave a weird read on the first page which he didn't follow on, and kinda lazed into a DP vote by the end of D1. Low-ish on activity. On the surface, seems scummy, but the reads cannot have been that serious so early in the first day, which makes me suspicious of those latching onto this case. Was correct in his argument with Stork about night choice kill and the wolf discussion. Decent town lean.

Another red flag. "Those latching onto this case" include me, Zack, Bsmith. That's it. He's given town reads to me and to Zack. So who's the 'those'? There is no 'those',is there? It just sounded logical in your head.

Atheotes: Early discussion of NK choice - possible maf trying to create false lead on his own kill? Hmm... Tone reads town, however, decent convicition in lynch choice. Read - null.

Riedquat: Goof vote on day 1, THE HORROR. On the surface, seems clearly scummy and lackadaisical. Well, one of those is true at least. Post asking himself to by lynched on day 2 is too much. Too aggressively off the wall. Strong town lean.

But it's not too much for Al Sips, who did the same exact thing?

This is a fairly well put together post in places, but the rest is a three-alarm fire.

[BSmith]

vote: khaan

[Renata]

I'm not so sure you or I should do that. I have a bad feeling about the split votes thus far. But I guess there's still tomorrow.

[Renata]

I haven't seen anything that makes me push any of my town reads away from being town.

On the other hand, I don't have a strong suspect at the moment. Renata's case on Newyn seems fine.

I'll add pressure to Al Sipsclar until I can come up with a reason not to, or I find something stronger.

Vote: Al Sipsclar

This post continues to bother me, even on its own. I've seen the pattern too often from scum. "Here's a case on X, now watch me vote Y." For 'pressure', at that.

[El Barto]

That's fine, I'm glad someone can read Zack, because I cannot.

It's just a four-letter word.

Re: Atheotes, if you take for argument's sake that Khaan/GH is town, then why would Atheotes' vote be scummy? If scum was chilling out and riding on a demoralized town then an EOD chaos vote is not a credible scum move. I could see him as scum, but not for this and not today. Otherwise, atheotes' pattern is indistinguishable from yours (only item is the D1 DP101 vote).

What's your analysis of Barto?

‘Get off it.’

i have never seen Khaan post so much! I did not think GH was scummy. and nothing yet from Khaan to change my mind.
Vote: Choxorn

I note there's no reason given that choxorn is scummy.

Nope. Dont find him towny either.

[Renata]

Renata do me a favor and drop all the bullshit and start playing the game in a somewhat straightforward manner.

Just a word to the wise, Pizza. When you say shit like this you lose me.

[Renata]

El Barto, opinons on Al Sips, Khaan, Pizza.

[El Barto]

While I re-read their particular posts, (btw whom did seireikhaan replace? General Hankerchief?) why did you switch your vote off pizza early in the day? There's no hammer here.

[El Barto]

The problem when I play like this, reading a hundred posts or two in one go, is that I get sensations rather than individualised reads. I've been offline for 48 RL hours.

So, you asked and I skim through the thread:

Al Sipsclar and seireikhaan: one votes for the other, (is #754 'khaan's reason for his vote is townie-sounding, #711 from novice is still a good one, I'm not sure whether 'khaan convinces me with his reply in #756) I can't see them being scum together if they do that. Where is Al? I could go with lynching an unproductive townie who hardly posts at all, but hey, that would still be a townie getting lynched and they sound like a circular firing squad.

ATPG: As of posts #661, 662 and 664 I was having a bit of a beef with him and he chose to ignore me from then on rather than convince me that I was wrong. And he's accusing me of being scum on post #760 where he does his townie act.

Refer to my post above, I'm still itchy about Monty, but he'll probably just continue to tell me to ‘get off it’. Policy lynch?

[Renata]

To see if novice was going to be willing to vote GH/Khaan, because I think it possible they're teammates. He wasn't willing. Also because Khaan is a stronger scum read right now than Pizza is.

[El Barto]

novice/khaan…? Coooould be, so you say #711 and the other posts I mention are them throwing each other softballs?

Well, I'll wait for you to read #792 first.

[Renata]

Al Sipsclar and seireikhaan: one votes for the other, (is #754 'khaan's reason for his vote is townie-sounding, #711 from novice is still a good one, I'm not sure whether 'khaan convinces me with his reply in #756) I can't see them being scum together if they do that. Where is Al? I could go with lynching an unproductive townie who hardly posts at all, but hey, that would still be a townie getting lynched and they sound like a circular firing squad.

ATPG: As of posts #661, 662 and 664 I was having a bit of a beef with him and he chose to ignore me from then on rather than convince me that I was wrong. And he's accusing me of being scum on post #760 where he does his townie act.

Refer to my post above, I'm still itchy about Monty, but he'll probably just continue to tell me to ‘get off it’. Policy lynch?

I'm pretty sure I came up with the same conclusion about Al Sips and Khaan not being mafia together, can't quite remember.

Pizza ignored you, played "don't be dumb" with me, heck if I know what it all means except that I would prefer it means he's mafia.

Policy lynch Monty? Sure, El Barto. You do you.

[Renata]

novice/khaan…? Coooould be, so you say #711 and the other posts I mention are them throwing each other softballs?

Well, I'll wait for you to read #792 first.

Oh, heck if I even know anymore. I could be talking out my ass.

[Renata]

Pretty sure I get shot tonight regardless, so it would be nice to have something right somewhere for posterity.

[El Barto]

Your ass and posterity… OK.

I'm pretty sure I came up with the same conclusion about Al Sips and Khaan not being mafia together, can't quite remember.

I was only looking through their posts, nobody else's.

Pizza ignored you, played "don't be dumb" with me, heck if I know what it all means except that I would prefer it means he's mafia.

He did it two games ago when I was Flexo the unkillable proven townie.

Policy lynch Monty? Sure, El Barto. You do you.

Lacking better leads and proper sleeping hours, vote: Montmorency.

[BSmith]

I'm not so sure you or I should do that. I have a bad feeling about the split votes thus far. But I guess there's still tomorrow.

I should be around. Heck I might even be able to be online at/around day end the next couple of phases.

[Renata]

Lacking better leads and proper sleeping hours, vote: Montmorency.

You know I said you do you and all but you do realize it's getting close to LYLO and all and oh never mind.

[Renata]

I should be around. Heck I might even be able to be online at/around day end the next couple of phases.

That'd be cool. I like having somebody to talk to.

[El Barto]

You know I said you do you and all but you do realize it's getting close to LYLO and all and oh never mind.

Are you going to tell me to get off it next?

[Renata]

Get. off. the road. Before you get hit by a car. I worry about you.

[El Barto]

So, this is probably my last effort tonight:

a) why is 'khaan scummier than Pizza? You've said Pizza's lost you, I'm missing something from your analyisis of his catch-up post, I think. I should reread it tomorrow.

b) why're you gonna get shot tonight?

[El Barto]

Get. off. the road. Before you get hit by a car. I worry about you.

xpost! Yeah, I'm closing shop for tonight. We still have over 24 hours left, right?

[El Barto]

Right now I couldn't give a damn where someone is voting.

!!!!!

(final read of the night)

[Renata]

Yeah, we do. I should get some sleep as well.

I don't know about Pizza; it's a couple of posts that hit me as a scummy, none that hit me as townie, and a whole lot of depressing.

I think I'm next in line after Stork as most obvious town. Unless they shoot for power roles and figure I'm not one, or try some weird WIFOM or something.

[Renata]

Oh, by "lose me" I meant that's the point where I stop wanting to consider the possibility that Pizza is town.

[El Barto]

Yeah, I know, I read it as you claiming he lost your support.

[Renata]

Oh, regarding Monty, if you have something besides 'get off me' to point to, I'll look at it. I may as well; I'm suspicious of everybody else. One of those games.