Visor's Small Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

If khaan is scum then I am having officially the worst game of my life. I don't even want to be that wrong, but what are my options here? To vote my town reads?

[novice]

Why don't you talk your town reads through why you lynched Dp101.

The thing is, I expect it will be difficult to get Pizza lynched, so I'm reluctant to get sidetracked.

Lol this.

Case in point:

Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (BSmith, novice, Montmorency)
2 votes: atheotes (Askthepizzaguy, Renata)
1 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Al Sipsclar)
1 votes: Al Sipsclair (seireikhaan)
1 votes: Montmorency (El Barto)
1 votes: Aetheotes (Newyn)

Voting history:

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Askthepizzaguy

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GeneralHankerchief

atheotes

Askthepizzaguy

Al Sipsclair

GeneralHankerchief

Montmorency

Askthepizzaguy

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

Aetheotes

Atheotes

[Renata]

I've just ISO'd atheotes, and damn, but there is nothing there.

Below some interactions with Monty from day one, since those need explained in a Monty/atheotes w/w world.

Bottom post is the only one that pings at all, and it's for the shallowest of reasons. Strategy or no strategy, I don't know I can keep my vote here.

I dont think these "changes in circumstance" explain his behavior.
Atleast i am voting my strongest scum read...

Well, scum monty would know he is town. and it was an easy defense. So he could get cred for trying to save a townie.

Looks like you are convinced that Choxorn and GH are scum...
What your take on Renata?

So you believe that scum got rid of Dp. I guess you will be going after the people on that wagon.

i have never seen Khaan post so much! I did not think GH was scummy. and nothing yet from Khaan to change my mind.
Vote: Choxorn

[novice]

I've been apologizing for it practically all round.

I have worse news for you, that was my only shot.

This is not a joke?

[Renata]

By the way, regarding Pizza's vig claim in a roundabout way:

I do have a bulletproof vest. Single use, have to guess properly when to use it. I didn't have it at start of game, and my assumption was a power role had given it to me. (That may have been an incorrect assumption. I'm asking.) If a power role gave Pizza the vig power similarly, then using the vig says nothing about Pizza. If the vig power was in the game from the start like a conventional power, then barring CC today the only person who could have had it other than him is Stork, who died last night. (I don't see mafia killing Zack.) Stork, unfortunately, went silent after the GH thing, and I don't know what his reads were.

But Pizza, I'm not liking the atheotes idea right now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is not a joke?

No.

Re: dp101, read these posts and I'll answer follow-up questions you may have.

Go to this post: 210
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053725705

Read through 225.
Picks up again 242.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053725747

Continues on there for a little bit.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But Pizza, I'm not liking the atheotes idea right now.

Al Sipsclar, in any universe where atheotes is town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you're looking to resolve khaan first, I have seen nothing indicating he's scum. I don't think we lynch there.

But if you're worried about blame or the game going to slop if we lynch there and he's lynched and he's town, I'm more than sure I'm going to get the lions share of the blame. And if the game ends sooner, so be it. We're just guessing.

[novice]

I didn't believe in your end of that discussion, Pizza. It read to me like you just digging up a plausible reason for voting Dp, which the poor puppy obviously couldn't refute.

I don't know why he'd be looking for reasons to town read me, least of all ones that don't follow.

Of course he's looking for reasons to town read you, that's how he operates, by looking for townies to follow. And he never posts anything without qualifying it.

I have to check your thought process and see if it makes any kind of sense from a no information standpoint.

This was where you left it, without every letting us know if it did make sense or not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I laid out the reasons, but it's two posts because the others are basically a null set. It's also buried and garnered no interest from anyone but khaan and Al himself.

[novice]

You know how easy it is to push Dp into a web of contradictions, I did it to him in our first game here, where both he and I were town. So when the first thing you did in this game was push Dp, I was not impressed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I didn't believe in your end of that discussion, Pizza. It read to me like you just digging up a plausible reason for voting Dp, which the poor puppy obviously couldn't refute.

Of course he's looking for reasons to town read you, that's how he operates, by looking for townies to follow. And he never posts anything without qualifying it.

This was where you left it, without every letting us know if it did make sense or not.

That was my response to his question about why I was questioning his motives. I had already decided I didn't trust them.

[Montmorency]

So you claim a 1-shot vig. Way to up the ante.

Al Sipsclar, in any universe where atheotes is town.

if atheotes is town, and you and Renata are town, and Khaan is town, and let's add novice for good measure, then that leaves Al-Monty-Barto-BSmith-Newyn, and I doubt you would consider BSmith in light of the other targets.

Your claim succeeds in making me more hesitant to lynch you, but now there is no way I'm backing down from Khaan. One way or another you're protecting him and if both you and Khaan survive through tomorrow it's game over. You'll be shielded by the claim, and Khaan's moment will have passed. You're ranging to lynch me, and all that atheotes-Barto-Al Sipsclar stuff is just filler or primer to seal the deal tomorrow.

[novice]

I laid out the reasons, but it's two posts because the others are basically a null set. It's also buried and garnered no interest from anyone but khaan and Al himself.

Not quite sure what this is in response to.

Anyway I have to run. To be continued.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know how easy it is to push Dp into a web of contradictions, I did it to him in our first game here, where both he and I were town. So when the first thing you did in this game was push Dp, I was not impressed.

After his rampant paranoia about me following 2 scum games vanished without a trace, I wasn't. It looked like a poor attempt at pocketing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not quite sure what this is in response to.

Anyway I have to run. To be continued.

If you're suspecting me and you ask me no questions that I can answer, I can't help you correct your mistake.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I laid out the reasons, but it's two posts because the others are basically a null set. It's also buried and garnered no interest from anyone but khaan and Al himself.

This was directed at Renata / anyone else hesitant to lynch atheotes and has a desire to lynch khaan.

[Renata]

Pizza did you have the vig power from start of game, or did you get it later?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza did you have the vig power from start of game, or did you get it later?

I had it from the start of play. Didn't use it night 1, because that's too early to shoot a single shot. Gotta narrow things down a bit more than that.

Didn't want to wait until N3 because I could have been dead by then.

[novice]

Did you breadcrumb the ability?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I feel like I'm wasting my time here. I'm being asked to talk about dead townies, and asked to wait until tomorrow to even discuss my suspects. Renata may be the only person who actually looked and gave me her opinion. The alternative option I put forward, as I mentioned, gained no attention or discussion or votes outside of the guy who could get lynched today. I'll vote there but not many other people have said they'll go there, nor have they looked into Al. And as for khaan, I'm being told this is a good vote and it's not clear to me why this is. And, the people pushing khaan, have made no real effort to convince me that khaan is even the right choice.

I'm ready to wash my hands of this round. You want me to vote for Al, that's my vote. You want me to stay on atheotes, that's my vote. I've been here for five hours, ready to call it a night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did you breadcrumb the ability?

No, I did not.

If you have one vig shot, there's no need to do so. The proof is in the shot itself.

[seireikhaan]

So you claim a 1-shot vig. Way to up the ante.



if atheotes is town, and you and Renata are town, and Khaan is town, and let's add novice for good measure, then that leaves Al-Monty-Barto-BSmith-Newyn, and I doubt you would consider BSmith in light of the other targets.

Your claim succeeds in making me more hesitant to lynch you, but now there is no way I'm backing down from Khaan. One way or another you're protecting him and if both you and Khaan survive through tomorrow it's game over. You'll be shielded by the claim, and Khaan's moment will have passed. You're ranging to lynch me, and all that atheotes-Barto-Al Sipsclar stuff is just filler or primer to seal the deal tomorrow.

My moment will have passed? How so? What kind of town logic is this anyways? Look, I can get Renata jumping my bones(), because yes, my big elaborate post probably wasn't my best work, but guess what, that's not normally my schtick and I didn't exactly have a ton of time left in the round, so I had to run with my gut at points. But what argument is *this*? "I have to lynch khaan now, just in case he's mafia"? How does me not being lynched today somehow prevent my lynch tomorrow? Heck, that's one of the things I've historically been best at - getting the threat of lynch for a few rounds before people tire of me and throw me into the volcano later in the game. I don't get this.

[Renata]

For what it's worth, Stork's latest comment on Zack was a positive one. I don't see him being the vig and Pizza just taking the credit. Don't mind me, working through my issues now. Scum vig? Not too likely, I don't think.

I don't know. My head hurts.

Khan's voting Al Sips. I think that makes a more appropriate counterwagon than atheotes right now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: atheotes
Vote: Al sipsclar

If we can get the vote movement that way, otherwise I go back.

[Montmorency]

My moment will have passed? How so? What kind of town logic is this anyways? Look, I can get Renata jumping my bones(), because yes, my big elaborate post probably wasn't my best work, but guess what, that's not normally my schtick and I didn't exactly have a ton of time left in the round, so I had to run with my gut at points. But what argument is *this*? "I have to lynch khaan now, just in case he's mafia"? How does me not being lynched today somehow prevent my lynch tomorrow? Heck, that's one of the things I've historically been best at - getting the threat of lynch for a few rounds before people tire of me and throw me into the volcano later in the game. I don't get this.

Because if you don't lynch today, there will be no more impetus behind the case aside from me, and Pizza will dominate the day - the day being D4 being LYLO if scum isn't lynched today. If you are scum and you don't swing today, the game is effectively over.

There is no scenario in which I can lynch you tomorrow, period.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you need my vote to lynch a scum you'll have to decide your final vote relatively early in the round. These rounds end well after I go to sleep and then to school, in Norwegian time.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Otherwise I can just faff about and be a lone voter. I can't help you cfd someone.

[seireikhaan]

Because if you don't lynch today, there will be no more impetus behind the case aside from me, and Pizza will dominate the day - the day being D4 being LYLO if scum isn't lynched today. If you are scum and you don't swing today, the game is effectively over.

There is no scenario in which I can lynch you tomorrow, period.

How on earth is there suddenly no impetus for it? Consider:

Town lynches someone else. Most likely, I will have to vote for said person because of self-preservation. If they are mafia, yay, we're not lylo, high fives etc. If they are town, suddenly I am sitting here being the guy who self preservation voted twice and got two townies lynched. On top of the fact that there is consistently multiple votes onto me ever phase. How on earth, again, do you lose the impetus to lynch me?

And, just another thing to toss out:

Consider, for a moment, if I am *not* scum. Wild theory, I know. I know that you want to pair atheotes with me or something to that effect if I am. But what if I'm not? Suddenly you're back here at LYLO, only instead of having your clear scum target, you have.... what? You already seem to think a town me implies a town atheotes.

[seireikhaan]

This was a terrible way to clear khaan and condemn choxorn.

I can also lynch khaan or atheotes today, maybe novice, too.
Then Newyn or Monty or El Barto.
BSmith and Renata probably never, though I'm going to tinfoil about BSmith.

Rather silly analysis, by the way. This is some social commentary on me generally being a lurker in most games, and anyone who takes it as "clearing" is a silly goose.