Visor's Small Mafia Game [Concluded]

[novice]

Scum vig? Not too likely, I don't think.

Scum vig was my working theory even before Pizza's claim.

[Montmorency]

I know that you want to pair atheotes with me or something to that effect if I am.

No, I didn't. More like the opposite.

You already seem to think a town me implies a town atheotes.

Opposite.

Town lynches someone else. Most likely, I will have to vote for said person because of self-preservation. If they are mafia, yay, we're not lylo, high fives etc. If they are town, suddenly I am sitting here being the guy who self preservation voted twice and got two townies lynched. On top of the fact that there is consistently multiple votes onto me ever phase. How on earth, again, do you lose the impetus to lynch me?

If you ignore everything else going on, maybe. You haven't been the center of attention since yesterday, and even then for only a small part of the day. If you live today and get atheotes or Al Sipsclar lynched and they flip town, I guarantee then that Pizza will do everything possible, directly and indirectly, to direct attention away from you. Winning concretely as opposed to RNG only solidifies the lack of interest.

[Renata]

Khaan, atheotes or Al Sips?

[seireikhaan]

Nah, I was pissed because Zack was not in my personal shit list, not that he couldn't hypothetically be on anyone's. Maybe you should ask Khaan this question, seeing as he had Zack as townie despite apparently having no idea why Zack had voted for him.

Zack's day 1 on read seemed pretty townie to me, so I was willing to wait a bit and ask for his input on the case against me.

[Montmorency]

Scum vig was my working theory even before Pizza's claim.

Heck, he may well be an SK.

[seireikhaan]

Khaan, atheotes or Al Sips?

Al Sips.

[seireikhaan]

No, I didn't. More like the opposite.

Derp. MB.

If you ignore everything else going on, maybe. You haven't been the center of attention since yesterday, and even then for only a small part of the day. If you live today and get atheotes or Al Sipsclar lynched and they flip town, I guarantee then that Pizza will do everything possible, directly and indirectly, to direct attention away from you. Winning concretely as opposed to RNG only solidifies the lack of interest.

.....I don't get this. Like, seriously. If we counterwagon someone and lynch them as opposed to me, and they flip town, how do I suddenly drop off the radar? I'm actually baffled at this line of logic. Are you this terrified of Pizza?

[Renata]

Al Sips.

vote: Al Sipsclar

Can't believe I'm doing this. But we need both options.
@novice -- why was scum vig your working theory?

[Montmorency]

how do I suddenly drop off the radar?

OK, in that case, who wants to lynch you? Me? Not Pizza. He would propose me or atheotes. Would you help me lynch Pizza in this scenario - or whom would you cast eyes upon? If you and Pizza are scum, it's catastrophe. If you are scum but Pizza is not, there are numerous other candidates who would pick up 2+ votes before you. If you are town and Pizza is not, then you don't seem to have any good ideas to turn things around.

I figure these odds:

If you are lynched as scum today, 75%+ of victory.
If you are lynched as town today, 50% of victory.
If you are not lynched as town, and town is lynched instead, 33% of victory.
If you are not lynched as scum, and town is lynched instead, 10% of victory.


That's why you must die.

[Montmorency]

If Renata is scum, GG.

[Renata]

I'm not. That's why I always get shot tonight.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why Khaan must be lynched usually should include some reason why he's even scum in the first place, but you do you.

[Montmorency]

Why Khaan must be lynched usually should include some reason why he's even scum in the first place, but you do you.

How the slot acted toward DP101, but you categorically refuse to acknowledge that type of argument, so there's no point reminding you of it.

[novice]

@novice -- why was scum vig your working theory?

Because both Stork and Zack were very obviously town.

[novice]

@novice -- why was scum vig your working theory?

Because both Stork and Zack were very obviously town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm glad that this stuff is obvious in a guessing game. Why do I even bother to play?

[novice]

If you're suspecting me and you ask me no questions that I can answer, I can't help you correct your mistake.

I already tried to engage you in post 753, but you were in full spin mode.

Talk us through why you lynched Dp, Pizza.

[novice]

Renata, where are you headed?

Pizza, ok so you can't read Zack. Why did you shoot him though? Didn't you say on day 1 that you would wait until you could get a read on Zack?

[novice]

This is what I remember, I guess.

you should be reading me town but you have completely ignored me

I've ignored a lot of people. Trying to look at folks I'd have a shot at reading.

[Renata]

Nowhere, forgot you'd said Zack was obvious town and thought there might be some other reason.

[novice]

Renata, I mean, where are you headed with your vote. I'm not following you off Pizza/Khaan.
(If I were, my third preference would be Atheotes.)

Reading Pizza's day two I see nothing leading up to a Zack vigging.

Vote: Pizza

[Montmorency]

Time to rally.

Unvote: Khaan

Vote: Pizza

[Renata]

I don't know yet here I'm heading with my vote.

[Al Sipsclar]

Your claim succeeds in making me more hesitant to lynch you

If I learned something, that's Pizza claiming anything should remove any hesitation to lynch him.

Rather silly analysis, by the way. This is some social commentary on me generally being a lurker in most games, and anyone who takes it as "clearing" is a silly goose.

Honk! Please, don't call that an analysis, I feel offended. My posts are 100% analysis-free, certified as empty space by leading experts. I never claim an attempt at "analysis" - analysis is one of many things I'm incapable of. When I have a thought, I try to communicate it, however awkward, silly, or weird, but I don't "analyze".

The thought I'm having right now is that if I pretend that Pizza is town, and atheotes and newyn are just clueless and misguided townies, then maybe it is khaan-Monty-novice we're looking at. They seem rather confident in their convictions. Plus a deep wolf among Barto-BSmith-Renata, with Barto being at the shallow end of the deep wolf pool.

[Renata]

Khaan and Monty w/w? Can we just give them the Emmy for best dramatic performance now?

[Montmorency]

Monty-Renata-Pizza

[Renata]

Let's call it a win and blow this pop stand.

[Al Sipsclar]

Khaan and Monty w/w? Can we just give them the Emmy for best dramatic performance now?

Monty already got one for Futurama.

[Renata]

Well I'm pretty much already resigned to having been embarrassingly outplayed by somebody, so that doesn't mean much to me.

[Montmorency]

Monty already got one for Futurama.

Haven't received anything in the mail.

And remember, Sips, if we want to lynch either Khaan or Pizza then your vote carries a lot of weight. You can't shade others for switching from Khaan on that account.