Internet Conspiracies becoming Mainstream

[Fisherking]

The blaming of Russia for the hacked emails is more excuse than anything else. The DNC emails were insider leaks. Pedesta’s emails were the result of him losing his smartphone. Where Russia may play a part is in Hillary’s Private Server. The unsecured server containing highly classified information and the revelations of the Pay for Play. It was hacked several times and not just by one party. If anything should have influenced the election it was Hillary’s own stupidity and obvious lies to cover it up.

The emails were not that critical in deciding the election. Those who were voting for Clinton simply ignored them and called it a Russian Conspiracy without a shred of proof.

Those who were disposed to accept the emails were never disposed to vote for Clinton in the first place. The releases were only a morale factor. The entire election was an exercise in Cognitive Dissonance.

People who voted for Clinton did so because she was not a Republican, despite her baggage.
People who voted for Trump fell into different camps. They voted for him because he was a Republican or they voted for him because he was not seen as part of the establishment.
There were very few voters who were influenced by logic or reason. Even the top two 3rd party candidates were seriously flawed.

The controversy now rests on the deep state trying to regain control of the narrative. Russia is the traditional boogieman. If it were only Anonymous Hackers they lose the moral high ground.

As to my remarks on propaganda, it was only a quality judgment. Propaganda is ubiquitous. Every government, organisation, and corporate interest wants to tell you what to think and none of them want you to exercise critical thinking. Choosing to believe one set of propaganda over another is just lazy and stupid. None of it is in your personal interest. It is far more likely to do harm than good.

Belief is accepting someones word for it. I suggest you put aside belief and try to acquire some actual knowledge about what you are being told and leave emotional factors by the wayside. It is not easy or simple but no one has your interests at heart the way you do.

[Gilrandir]

Belief is accepting someones word for it.

Shall we practice the said approach for the following claims?

Those who were voting for Clinton simply ignored them and called it a Russian Conspiracy without a shred of proof.

Those who were disposed to accept the emails were never disposed to vote for Clinton in the first place. The releases were only a morale factor. The entire election was an exercise in Cognitive Dissonance.

People who voted for Clinton did so because she was not a Republican, despite her baggage.
People who voted for Trump fell into different camps. They voted for him because he was a Republican or they voted for him because he was not seen as part of the establishment.
There were very few voters who were influenced by logic or reason. Even the top two 3rd party candidates were seriously flawed.

[Fisherking]

Shall we practice the said approach for the following claims?

You are free to research it for your self and draw your own conclusions.

[Montmorency]

I suggest you put aside belief and try to acquire some actual knowledge about what you are being told and leave emotional factors by the wayside. It is not easy or simple but no one has your interests at heart the way you do.

This approach is unreflective, emollient, and invariably fails itself.

[Fisherking]

This approach is unreflective, emollient, and invariably fails itself.

hum, you seem to be missing something. Try harder. ;)

[Greyblades]

Oh, how badly our mainstays flail when the illusion of consensus crumbles.

In other news the FBI refused to blindly support CIA's conclusions.

The disagreement between some Republicans and Democrats on Russia's intentions in hacking the election rests partially on the lack of agreement between intelligence agencies and the FBI about the conclusiveness of the evidence, officials explained this weekend.

The US intelligence community is increasingly confident that Russian meddling in the American election was intended to steer the election toward Donald Trump, multiple sources have said. That revelation, first reported by CNN a week ago, went beyond the October statement by the 17 intelligence agencies that only said that Russia was seeking to undermine the election, but did not go as far as to say it was to benefit Trump.

The New York Times reported this weekend that part of the reason for the change is that the CIA believes the Russians hacked not only Democratic organizations but Republican groups too, but that they only published documents from Democrats.

The FBI hasn't concluded that the RNC itself was directly breached, a law enforcement official said Sunday. FBI investigators did find that a breach of a third-party entity that held data belonging to the RNC. But the data appears to have been outdated and of little value to the hackers. The FBI also found that some conservative groups and pundits were hacked. The FBI also hasn't found conclusive evidence to show that it was done to help Trump.

"At this point, there appears to have been a combination of motivations," one US law enforcement official said. "They wanted to sow discord and undermine our systems. It's clear not even the Russians thought he would win."

Officials familiar with the briefings given to Congress say the CIA assessment wasn't as definitive as has been portrayed in news reports this weekend. The agency developed new information in recent weeks, based on intelligence sources, which prompted a new assessment of the Russian hack. That assessment "leans" toward the view that the Russians were trying to hurt Clinton and help Trump. But the CIA assessment wasn't definitive, the officials said.

Part of the issue is the nature of the CIA and FBI roles in the investigation. The CIA produces raw intelligence, the FBI moves more slowly to reach conclusions based on the intelligence and other investigative work.

[Montmorency]

hum, you seem to be missing something. Try harder. ;)

If you believe truth can be found by contravening or even ignoring The Authority, then you will satisfy yourself with only the most limited imaginings.

[Fisherking]

If you believe truth can be found by contravening or even ignoring The Authority, then you will satisfy yourself with only the most limited imaginings.

I said knowledge. You assumed Truth. Authority does not equal truth either. It is usually a self justified conclusion by those who assume it.

I am not speaking of seeking eternal truth, just making informed decisions based on the best available information and background knowledge of the subject.

[Pannonian]

The blaming of Russia for the hacked emails is more excuse than anything else. The DNC emails were insider leaks. Pedesta’s emails were the result of him losing his smartphone. Where Russia may play a part is in Hillary’s Private Server. The unsecured server containing highly classified information and the revelations of the Pay for Play. It was hacked several times and not just by one party. If anything should have influenced the election it was Hillary’s own stupidity and obvious lies to cover it up.

The emails were not that critical in deciding the election. Those who were voting for Clinton simply ignored them and called it a Russian Conspiracy without a shred of proof.

Those who were disposed to accept the emails were never disposed to vote for Clinton in the first place. The releases were only a morale factor. The entire election was an exercise in Cognitive Dissonance.

People who voted for Clinton did so because she was not a Republican, despite her baggage.
People who voted for Trump fell into different camps. They voted for him because he was a Republican or they voted for him because he was not seen as part of the establishment.
There were very few voters who were influenced by logic or reason. Even the top two 3rd party candidates were seriously flawed.

The controversy now rests on the deep state trying to regain control of the narrative. Russia is the traditional boogieman. If it were only Anonymous Hackers they lose the moral high ground.

As to my remarks on propaganda, it was only a quality judgment. Propaganda is ubiquitous. Every government, organisation, and corporate interest wants to tell you what to think and none of them want you to exercise critical thinking. Choosing to believe one set of propaganda over another is just lazy and stupid. None of it is in your personal interest. It is far more likely to do harm than good.

Belief is accepting someones word for it. I suggest you put aside belief and try to acquire some actual knowledge about what you are being told and leave emotional factors by the wayside. It is not easy or simple but no one has your interests at heart the way you do.

Whatever your own suspicions about your own government, and I suspect that Americans can afford to be blase about the Russian threat as the Soviets never really infiltrated them, I am utterly confident that the Russians have no well meaning for us, having both read up on our secret agencies during WWII and noting that many of the most influential figures were Soviet agents, and having been part of the British Left that has long resisted the infiltration of Russian influence (and ultimately failed). I don't know if my own government means well for me, but I certainly know that the Russians don't.