Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
Ozone Hole is still there over New Zealand, but it is recovering. It isn't actually fixed, it just isn't getting worst. It is not done with yet, but it is on its way to being resolved. Which is a generally positive sign.



There is a certain sub-section of society which seems impervious to scientific thought due to taught ignorance of the anti-scientific strain.Usually, it is the more religiously fanatical elements, such as the 6000 year old earth, or flat-earthers. I remember discussing this with a patron here, an they saw themselves as proving everyone and everything wrong by sourcing their evidence back to creationism.com. It was rather mind-boggling.

Climate Change Denial is a more 'socially acceptable' stance, because leading figures, generally US Republican Congressmen/Senators from Oil Rich states, influenced by Big Oil, that keep repeating the same lies and falsehoods, including now 'President-Elect' Trump, who says Climate Change is a conspiracy by China to weaken US Industry. They have self-centred reasons to want to perpetuate their denial, thus they will continue to do so. Unfortunately there are people who are that morally bankrupt.
The Chinese government are one of the more rigorous believers in climate change and the need to take greener measures. Not because they want to constrict other countries into an economic advantage. But because, having jumped relative light years in industrial development in a short space of time, they've seen how they've fecked up their own land.


Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
I am aware of the complexities, but no real point discussing them when the basics are not accepted or outright rejected. All it does is muddy the water because the other person just cherry picks random things, as if to prove to themselves the basics are wrong, when the basics are correct, but there are broader complexities to the issue.


Biggest problem when discussing scientific matters boils down to this quote, "People in this country have had enough of experts” [Michael Gove] and that is scary.
People comment about China's lack of democracy, but that Gove comment is liberal democracy at its worst. The belief that one is entitled to one's own opinion regardless of facts, and sheltering behind the principle that one vote is worth the same as any other. We still have a Second House to offer advice, but May has threatened to abolish that too.