Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Monstrdude]

If you're a villager, sure. Who are these people (besides me)? Why wouldn't you be keeping a list yourself?

I don't know what to do with the non-poster crowd. Unless they make a mistake like choxorn did there's usually nothing to go on. I was hoping for a vig, but there's no sign of one.

Pretty much the second paragraph sums up my thoughts on them

[Monstrdude]

I mean I kinda felt like there wasn't gonna be a vig given the setup but still

[Monstrdude]

I mean, strictly speaking though if we aren't careful about inactives we will drown in them later in the game

[Monstrdude]

Hankerchief's post about suspecting the people on his wagon is something that lines up with how a villager should act when their wagon starts to pile up but its nothing a competent scum can't do

I've seen glimpses of a villager here and there GH but if you are one I need that one moment that makes me go "yep that's a villager" and I just haven't had one yet

If you are a villager it's me more than it's you, but you haven't exactly given anyone a reason to townread you like just talk about specific people for a bit and interact with me if we can ever find the chance

A big way I get my reads in this game is by constantly interacting with players in hopes of fostering responses that scum are generally incapable of making so

[Renata]

Bold does not compute as possible consecutive thoughts in a post and looks fake. Content is also much more generic reads-y than I remember of town-chox from last game. Wouldn't mind seeing a vote or three on you right now.

Yes. If you've just spent the last couple hours catching up, since when is your first thought when you finally get around to posting, "oh shit I forgot the game started".

Why would it have to be the first thought to be included? Writing doesn't work the same way as connected speech.

Um, @Montmorency, why'd you leave this out of your summary on choxorn at start of day? You totally defended him from mean old me.

[Montmorency]

I mean, strictly speaking though if we aren't careful about inactives we will drown in them later in the game

Or they will have breathing space to be active.

[Cass_]

how do people itt right now feel about barto

i'd like us to consolidate

Cuth, why ask people to consolidate on him, but not Chox, who was in a similar position?

At the time you posted this, where were you leaning with Barto and where are you at with him now?

[Renata]

Bold does not compute as possible consecutive thoughts in a post and looks fake. Content is also much more generic reads-y than I remember of town-chox from last game. Wouldn't mind seeing a vote or three on you right now.

Why would it have to be the first thought to be included? Writing doesn't work the same way as connected speech.

Yes. If you've just spent the last couple hours catching up, since when is your first thought when you finally get around to posting, "oh shit I forgot the game started".

Ah, screw multiquote on this site. That's out of order.. I think there were two comments from Monty, but you get the idea. He picked on my thinking choxorn's wording looked fake, and ignored the other half of my argument.

[Montmorency]

Um, @Montmorency, why'd you leave this out of your summary on choxorn at start of day? You totally defended him from mean old me.

Well yeah, that's me. I stand by it. Your case looked better with Choxorn's original early-day post in context, but I didn't recall it at the time and to speak of it now from retrospect isn't useful.

I was wrong. :/

[Monstrdude]

Or they will have breathing space to be active.

I GUESS

I've been trying to post less but it's hard for me. This will be my last post for a few hours because I really do want other people to be able to say things

[Montmorency]

Ah, screw multiquote on this site. That's out of order.. I think there were two comments from Monty, but you get the idea. He picked on my thinking choxorn's wording looked fake, and ignored the other half of my argument.

I saw something to take issue with. I don't really care about most of the casework people do. If there's something in particular that I can have a thought about, I speak up.

[Renata]

Or they will have breathing space to be active.

There was breathing space last game but nobody on that list ever got active.

[Renata]

Well yeah, that's me. I stand by it. Your case looked better with Choxorn's original early-day post in context, but I didn't recall it at the time and to speak of it now from retrospect isn't useful.

I was wrong. :/

You didn't recall it? I'm asking why you didn't include yourself in the big choxorn related post you made at start of day. You dragged out quotes from everybody who ever said a word about him but left out yourself. Why did you make that choice?

[Montmorency]

There was breathing space last game but nobody on that list ever got active.

They did? They didn't post up a storm, but in our culture that's active. It's only this past year of Org revival that more than 10 posts per player per game has become the norm.

[Montmorency]

You didn't recall it? I'm asking why you didn't include yourself in the big choxorn related post you made at start of day. You dragged out quotes from everybody who ever said a word about him but left out yourself. Why did you make that choice?

Because it isn't important to me.

[Monstrdude]

All of you should come hang out at vgf mafia or vice versa because over there we go like 50 posts per player per game so even a large game would be kinda low volume (I am ldo the exception)

[Visor]

Cuth, why ask people to consolidate on him, but not Chox, who was in a similar position?

At the time you posted this, where were you leaning with Barto and where are you at with him now?

@Cuthillius

though I already pointed this out to him when he was around and got no reply

[GeneralHankerchief]

This appears to be the CONSENSUS READS LIST and not my own:

Cleared by D1
Cass
Dp101
Renata
atheotes

Good vibes
Monstrbro
Winston
Visor
Jabbz

Slightly less good vibes
Zack
Schema
dicetosser

Monty
Monty

Low posters
Csargo
Al Sipsclar
Riedquat
BSmith

Lynchbait
El Barto
GH
Cuthilius

Let's assume four scum. I think, contrary to popular belief, we're going to find at least one in some of the upper categories. Not the topmost obviously, unless there was a serious error in thought during the late stages of D1, but I'm guessing 1-2 in the combined "vibes" categories plus Monty, 1 in the low posters, and 1 in the lynchbait. The reason for this is simple: it's never that easy, and the consensus is never 100% accurate.

If the situation does look to be as rosy for town as it appears, then I'd pin down Schema as a possible maf that's higher up the reads list. Her(?) D2 has shown some warning signs:

I'm campaigning for District 1 today.

Vote: Schema

And great call, Cass, choosing Dp's vote. Best choice based on EOD.

This was never properly explained and Schema instead in future posts went with the handwave defenses of "for now" and "I have reasons".

There is a decent amount of "I'm not scum partners with Cuth" and attacks on Cuth, which could strike me as a maf doing a partial deflection because she perceives the town as attacking the right target but for the wrong reasons. I don't think it's likely that Schema and Cuth are m/m but if Cuth is the lynch and flips town... well.

Tbh I'm pretty half-hearted about this game rn.

Only a townie idiot votes herself rep with a likely town Dp up for candidacy, blah blah.

Vote: Dp101

Not sure how I feel on the Cuth >> GH lynch vote. Would like to hear from @Zack as to why GH isn't a priority for him, since I'm assuming he has some meta to go off.
@Monstrbro, I believe you asked me my thoughts on Winston? I had iffy feels early in the game but he got townier for me. I haven't seen most of his D2 contributions though so I'll run le iso there today.

Tone feels somewhat off for me (don't like the first paragraph/sentence especially) but this could just be a lack of familiarity with her meta.

Bottom line is though that if the PoE is working but isn't 100% I'm probably shooting Schema.

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This is a little unorthodox, but I would also not complain if one of the extremely high posters was lynched today (I guess Cuth would count for this as well) just to allow the thread to breathe a bit and see if it makes things any more appealing for the low posters to offer their thoughts without them. If they start being able to contribute, great. If not, we should probably start sharpening our scythes or otherwise it will be as Monstrbro said in 1773.

[Renata]

My conversation with Montmorency over choxorn in full and in order.

Why is that? Are you drawing some inference between



and



If so, that seems perfectly "natural" to me.

Yes. If you've just spent the last couple hours catching up, since when is your first thought when you finally get around to posting, "oh shit I forgot the game started".

Why would it have to be the first thought to be included? Writing doesn't work the same way as connected speech.

Fine. Compare this first post to choxorn's output in Visor's game and tell me what you think.

I don't get you. Half his posts were fluff, most of the rest declaiming Riedquat, and a bit of content venturing one or two other players. This was over a dozen posts or fewer, in two day phases.

If you are trying to say that he's making too much of an effort in this game at appearing engaged - which you don't seem to be - then even so the posts thus far have been nothing.

That was in fact my contention. Post a few reads and leave choxorn is dubious to me.

[Monstrdude]

That was a pretty good post, GH

Villagey, even

[Monstrdude]

I think the consensus bottom tier is at best 2/3 scum, and likely 1/3

[Monstrdude]

I mean, even going into the low poster I just don't really believe that those bottom 7 players contain all the remaining wolves. It's that easy like 5% of the time in this game

[Montmorency]

GH I think consensus would exchange dicetosser and Jabbz in their categories. Nothing but kind words toward dice so far.

[Riedquat]

You're not the only one behind. Hello.

Why vote Winston?

Winston Hughes
BSmith
Visor
Csargo
Riedquat
El Barto
Monstrbro

First on the list, wanted the post yesterday and seems town to me, together with Monstrbro, Visor in third place and I must say Barto in fourth! The rest, a bunch of scummy lurking people, I'm included of course!

[GeneralHankerchief]

GH I think consensus would exchange dicetosser and Jabbz in their categories. Nothing but kind words toward dice so far.

I won't fight you on that, I remember pretty much only Zack beating the drum about Jabbz getting townread and him openly wondering why there's not more suspicion towards him, so that's what caused me to put Jabbz in the upper vibes tier.

I mean, even going into the low poster I just don't really believe that those bottom 7 players contain all the remaining wolves. It's that easy like 5% of the time in this game

Precisely.

[Renata]

Serious post indicating some level of reading the OP



"OMG when did the game start?"

???

Actually I think that's a reading comprehension fail on my part. Anyway, the biggest thing here I can note is that the district vote on cuth seems like it's w/w if choxorn is a wolf but meaningless if villager

Three posts don't seem particularly alignment indicative but if anything I think the way he's approaching certain people like echoing Zack's sentiment just flow really well so if anything I guess lightly villagery but only barely

You have nothing else to say about the thread?

Monstr's choxorn related posts near end of day one. I'm feeling a bit better about him now. Originally the second quote felt hinky, but in combination with the first ("Huh"? then "oh, never mind") it feels more genuine. Anyway, not lynching here today.

[Renata]

@Monstrbro, you were wholly against cuth's lynch yesterday, repeatedly calling him a villager and so on. Where are you at today and who are you voting for?

[GeneralHankerchief]

So let's say my "consensus PoE isn't correct, jump around the categories" theory wins the day. Shot in the dark, I need to pick out four scum right now, in order:

Cuthilius - wait for flip
> if town, Schema
> if scum, Jabbz
Riedquat, for the hell of it
Jabbs if not already shot, Barto if Jabbz isn't an option

And then Askthepizzaguy to be totally safe.

[Renata]

Because it isn't important to me.

Don't you think it's misleading to others?

[Montmorency]

Don't you think it's misleading to others?

Eh, but it was pretty much contained between us. It doesn't reflect on others, certainly not on Visor whom I had foremost on my mind when putting the post together.

GH, I don't quite understand why Cuth-scum flip makes town Schema likely. Or more than null?