Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Zack]

I think Cuth has to be a wolf PR because of how Cass keeps protecting him. Her attitude toward the case on him was also dismissive.

[Zack]

Also Merry Christmas to those of you in Australia.

[Schema]

There's absolutely no reason not to start the day like this.

Vote: Cuthillius

[Zack]

Right.

Vote: Cuth

[Monstrdude]

It's probably gonna be a while because holidays but I'm gonna reread everyone in the thread and make a big reads post

I work tonight and am walking there as we speak so it's not gonna happen now but I skimmed a bit of d1 and think most of the town core and my town core is pretty solid

If cuth isn't a wolf I'm gonna make sure that we find one that is

[Renata]

Wolf Cass takes you out every time, Zack. Dp101 was voting you and died. Cuthillius wasn't even an option for her last night. El Barto, who was, d
Is mysteriously not top priority. Why?

[Montmorency]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Tallies for both days, spoilered for size.

For Day 1, I don't think she was around for end of day. Maybe she believed Visor's doublevoter claim, reasoned it meant her vote wouldn't really matter so threw it on a teammate for bussing cred, then came back later to find a three-way tie between her 3 teammates and lynched the least important one.

The on Day 2, after spending Day 1 talking nonstop about how the strategy should be for everyone to vote as normal then the district representatives vote according to their constituents, she completely discards this without discussing it further. Her district overwhelmingly voted for Cuth and she was the only person to vote for Barto. She explicitly asked people if they'd prefer Winston to vote for me or Cuth, multiple people responded with all of them voicing a preference for Cuth, then she instructed him to keep his vote on me anyways. Then despite her voting for Barto again, she decides to break the tie by voting for GH, which came out of nowhere, and he flipped town.

She also was throwing some shade at me, commenting how I seemed unconcerned with a lot of people voting me Chancellor when it would have made her paranoid. First, that is nonsensical. Second, a LOT more people voted her than ever voted me, and not only did she not get paranoid about it (as she claimed she would have), she didn't even seem to acknowledge it whatsoever. When she was the only person around in the thread and I was talking with her, she got really uncomfortable and plain weird, demanding why I was "pressuring" her. It was really odd, and I just kind of brushed it aside at the time as a weird thing not to worry too much about, but combined with everything else I need to talk about it.

I don't really think it's that crazy, because I just don't understand her voting and play on D2 as town. It makes no sense to me.

Is there a vote mutiny option?

OK, I see you're warming on the "Cuth-Cass-Bart-Choxorn" conspiracy I mentioned yesterday. Good effort, but I still think it's nuts and at any rate self-resolving through failure to die or to lynch scum on Cass' part.

I want to see El Barto flip now, since People OK with Barto lynch: Zack, GH, Visor, Schema, Monstr (when Cass was canvassing about it at EOD). But, as I said, I don't see scummy in him atp and Cuth is the best case.

Another note: yesterday

Vote: Cuth

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Also, I want to see Pizza's full narrative progression on Cass-as-overlord.

[Zack]

Wolf Cass takes you out every time, Zack. Dp101 was voting you and died. Cuthillius wasn't even an option for her last night. El Barto, who was, d
Is mysteriously not top priority. Why?

Dp voted GH.

Did you read my post or the thread? Winston asked if she wanted him to switch to Cuth, she asked the general population if they wanted that, they said yes, she told Winston to stay on me anyways.

Don't know what the last part is supposed to be.

[Montmorency]

Wolf Cass takes you out every time, Zack. Dp101 was voting you and died. Cuthillius wasn't even an option for her last night. El Barto, who was, d
Is mysteriously not top priority. Why?

DP was voting GH. Why would scum ever kill Zack while Renata, Cass, DP101, and atheotes are alive. Common

[Montmorency]

I'm gonna reread everyone in the thread and make a big reads post

Oh dear.

[Zack]

DP was voting GH. Why would scum ever kill Zack while Renata, Cass, DP101, and atheotes are alive. Common

I think she meant why Cass voted GH over me.

[Montmorency]

This mushroom-chicken slice has almost no mushroom, and they forgot one of the slices.

[Montmorency]

I think she meant why Cass voted GH over me.

OK, but I don't see that argument either.

[Zack]

This mushroom-chicken slice has almost no mushroom, and they forgot one of the slices.

Please stop spamming. You are ruining the game, singlehandedly.

Also mushrooms are gross, they did you a favor.

[Schema]

It's probably gonna be a while because holidays but I'm gonna reread everyone in the thread and make a big reads post

I work tonight and am walking there as we speak so it's not gonna happen now but I skimmed a bit of d1 and think most of the town core and my town core is pretty solid

If cuth isn't a wolf I'm gonna make sure that we find one that is

This is pretty much where I'm at. Now that dp is dead I'm feeling a bit more pressure looking at those left in my district. I don't want Cuth elected under any circumstance, he's too big of a question mark. And really there needs to be a close eye on who tries to take his place.

My goal with the extended day, which for me actually means extra time since I've got a quiet holiday, is to take a look at these in depth:

Zack -- post quality from beginning to end game. I still lean town on him but I'm keeping an open mind because of how much there is to sift through. I could have my viewpoint challenged, we'll see.

Zack's proposed wolf team -- I had strong town feels on Cass early on, but whereas Cuth had a bad EOD1, she had a less than impressive EOD2 and lynch decision. If she is a wolf, Choxorn being gone as goon buys her credibility and removes no one of consequence from the team. I mean, Choxorn was the obvious choice by the way he popped in and popped out. El Barto still being here makes no sense at this point considering her multiple votes, as he pointed out.

Cuth, again -- There's something in me that doesn't want to let this go because yuck. So many votes headed here. But I've got this nagging suspicion that we've got a deep wolf or two and if Cuth is scummy regardless of alignment, he could be an easy player to push toward lynch. I'm trying to look at actual actions that could mean something, which is why I voted Cuth and not GH.

If anyone with some meta background on Cuth could tell me what we're seeing this game that are CONSTANTS for him, regardless of alignment, that would help greatly. Is he quick to change his mind? Does he give reads without lengthy explanation?

[Schema]

I need to ISO everyone in my district.

[Montmorency]

Please stop spamming. You are ruining the game, singlehandedly.

Also mushrooms are gross, they did you a favor.

Apologies.

No.

Vote: Cuthilius

@Cass_, please district me with 2 of Renata, Zack, Visor, and yourself. Also, just as critically, this day (D3) and tomorrow (D4) are the only real chances we have this game to run with 5 districts - 3 players per district. Take that into consideration during the drawing. Others may wish to discuss the pros and cons of a temporary increase in the number of districts.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

If you don't put me with any of Renata, Zack, Visor, or yourself, and you draw 5 districts, please put me in a district I have a shot at winning.

[Zack]

I was just kidding, Monty. I don't care, personally. But other people do mind and have let me know at every possible opportunity, so I too wanted to feel the power behind a high-handed slap on the wrist.

[Zack]

Why do you want to be with me, Renata, and Visor?

[Schema]

Wolf Cass takes you out every time, Zack.

Because...?

Explain this thought process. Zack had a hard townread on Cass yesterday.

[Montmorency]

I was just kidding, Monty. I don't care, personally. But other people do mind and have let me know at every possible opportunity, so I too wanted to feel the power behind a high-handed slap on the wrist.

I was not (just) answering about spam. "No" at the comment on mushrooms. I won't be spamming after this.

Why do you want to be with me, Renata, and Visor?

And Cass. Cuz I want to be with the A-team until the dynamic shifts again.

[Schema]

....dynamic shifts again.

From what, to what?

[Renata]

DP was voting GH. Why would scum ever kill Zack while Renata, Cass, DP101, and atheotes are alive. Common

Forget Dp101 voting Zack then and focus on the rest. Tell me why a wolf Cass buries GH over Zack, given the opportunity. Tell me why Zack pushes for Cuthillius to die instead of El Barto despite that he is arguing both are scum in this little theory, and El Barto, not Cuthillius, is the one Cass has twice failed to bury.

Shoot, why is he not voting Cass?

You didn't need this kind of paranoia engenderings theory to get Cuthillius lynched today. It looks like some kind of overkill.

[Renata]

Because...?

Explain this thought process. Zack had a hard townread on Cass yesterday.

Because he is 10x more dangerous than GH has demonstrated in this game.

Am I being ridiculous? I read Zack theory posts and all I kept thinking was BS.

[Zack]

Forget Dp101 voting Zack then and focus on the rest. Tell me why a wolf Cass buries GH over Zack, given the opportunity. Tell me why Zack pushes for Cuthillius to die instead of El Barto despite that he is arguing both are scum in this little theory, and El Barto, not Cuthillius, is the one Cass has twice failed to bury.

Shoot, why is he not voting Cass?

You didn't need this kind of paranoia engenderings theory to get Cuthillius lynched today. It looks like some kind of overkill.

That seems like an unimportant detail, I'm not sure what you're driving at. Why wouldn't she vote GH over me?

I argued that Cuth is much likelier to be a PR. I really doubt she'd play around with voting El Barto if he was an important role. On the other hand, she actively tried to keep Cuth out of the voting entirely yesterday.

Cass is really only a wolf if the team is EXACTLY her/barto/cuth. If either of those two is a villager, it drops the likelihood that Cass is a wolf massively.

Maybe because it's not engineered, lol?

You seem like you're searching for things to pick at.

[Montmorency]

From what, to what?

I'm talking about districts, and by extension the players left to fill them.

Because he is 10x more dangerous than GH has demonstrated in this game.

Really? Zack works as a prospective lynch and predictable slot, while GH had huge scope to develop.

Also, Cass ruled out lynching Zack and it would look rather bad to blast him amidst the other choices and overwhelming public sentiment.

You didn't need this kind of paranoia engenderings theory to get Cuthillius lynched today. It looks like some kind of overkill.

Zack was talking about Cass, not Cuth.

Shoot, why is he not voting Cass?

Cuz that's useless and dumb, and flipping Cuth is the first step to defeating Cass (if she is scum).

[Zack]

Does make me a little uneasy that Schema and Monty are championing my cause, though I guess I can't really complain.

[Montmorency]

Does make me a little uneasy that Schema and Monty are championing my cause, though I guess I can't really complain.

I'm just being pedantic. We have relatively-little to discuss today besides who we'd like to be districted with.

Ultimate conspiracy: Cass-Renata-Chox-Cuth-Bart. Monstrbro neutral survivor. Monty amnesiac.

[Renata]

No, I read those posts and was thinking wrf is this. It looks like a Pizza post.

[Schema]

Does make me a little uneasy that Schema and Monty are championing my cause, though I guess I can't really complain.

Championing? Entertaining, nothing more. My priority is making sure that whoever replaces dp is town. I'm a little paranoid that he got killed as a confirmed townie and that a wolf is going to try to take that power. I hope Cass doesn't redistrict.