Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[Arakhor]

The tally in #471 lists sequential voting by nominee.

[Sooh]

I was talking about 497.

Discussing about wagons and such now just makes such a hassle, because you have to go back and find the actual posts and time stamps in order to get the order of votes on a person. But I guess we just have to live with it.

I doubt there were many scums bussing D1. I'd say one, maybe two at most. (on DP I mean)

[Jabbz]

Resolution post for day 1 has been Updated.

Trying to set a timer, no promises it's working

If someone could PM me with an explanation of how to link a specific thread in a post (so I can annotate resolution posts in the front of the thread) that would also be appreciated.



Yeah that didn't work. Would appreciate help on that as well :P

[Jabbz]

Btw, I hate that the tally is alphabetical and doesn't list people in the order they voted.

I might fiddle around with that, though it will add a decent amount to my workload (have to track time of post as well as the vote). In past games I've hosted I've had a wonderful tool to make use of, sadly I don't have that here.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Resolution post for day 1 has been Updated.

Trying to set a timer, no promises it's working

If someone could PM me with an explanation of how to link a specific thread in a post (so I can annotate resolution posts in the front of the thread) that would also be appreciated.

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Yeah that didn't work. Would appreciate help on that as well :P

Lose the underscore in your end bracket and it should work.

[Jabbz]

I think it might have gotten worse :P

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think it might have gotten worse :P

Permission to edit your post to figure it out?

[Montmorency]

I doubt there were many scums bussing D1. I'd say one, maybe two at most. (on DP I mean)

Two out of 3 or 4 sounds good enough for "many" to me.

Jabbz, you already keep a separate list of vote changes; interpolate that into the regular tally, and sequential order becomes easier.

[Zack]

I might fiddle around with that, though it will add a decent amount to my workload (have to track time of post as well as the vote). In past games I've hosted I've had a wonderful tool to make use of, sadly I don't have that here.

What I've done in the past is use an excel sheet, then put the post the vote was made along with the vote itself in a table. Then you can sort by the post number column from smallest to largest.

[Visor]

Nice job on DP.

Actually, on second thought and a quick re-read, I find it kind of odd that Al stayed on Monty when he was obviously around at EoD and it was pretty clear that it was going to be either him or DP getting lynched. Why wouldn't he switch to dp for self-pres?

+Scum points to Al, unless he can adequately explain why he insisted on staying on Monty.

Having not read anything prior to the flip, I'm just guessing, but he's probably a wolf who didn't want to vote another wolf. That might be wanting more than guessing though.

[Zack]

I have like... less than ten posts this game so far. It wouldn't break your back to go back and find out.

I was asking about your change on GH early on.

Oh, I thought I already addressed that one. Time passed and I liked GH's posts after that.

Wouldn't break your back to simply repeat the question if it's that important to you. I'm not answering it for me.

[Montmorency]

Things by DP (leaving out facetious material, which generally went toward Renata):

1. Renata started D1 like this:

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Maybe Dp gets a hi, maybe not. Depends if he's a scumbag.

Further assurance not to rule out distancing.

2. And:

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Dp, I still don't know if I'm allowed to consort with you.

How could you know, it's only been 5 hours.

3. To Winston's entrance:

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Hi. Are you scum?

4. Comments on the Winston-Zack kerfuffle:

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I think that both Zack and Winston are clearly town from this engagement.

Why? Winston was clearly joking around, Zack tried to assign a read to it, Winston reacted calmly and in a town way. Both are clearly towny after that.

Renata, I really, really disagree with your continued pushing of winston. It looks exactly like mafia pushing a slightly odd townie, and I would have expected that town!you would have found something else by now.

Could there be spew on one of Zack and Winston? Altogether, I would bet hard on there being scum in this trio, harder than I would bet on DP being town.

5. To Zack:

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Tone. Everything about his posts feels like the same, standard, "I'm going to try to be village and have a good time, even if it gets me scumread" that I always see from him. If anyone else was posting in the way that he was, I would be perfectly fine with someone going after them, but this right here is exactly what I have come to expect from him.

6. To Lewwyn:

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Why do you find my statement the only thing worth jumping on? Also, why do you think that a length of time passing would make it more scummy?

This makes sense, I should have realised. Sorry for miscategorising your post.

6. To Choxorn voting him:

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If you think I'm defending a scumbuddy, then why aren't you voting the supposed scum that I am defending? You make no sense.

7. To GH noting that Al Sipsclar and atheotes have gone inactive:

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Do you think that their lurking is alignment indicative? They both always seem to be kind of low posters, so I don't see what you think is so out of the ordinary with this.

Any spew?

8. To Renata complaining about him:

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I might switch. Feels like GH hasn't done much, and would be a decent option. Dislike your current case, mostly because I can't see anything alignment indicative in anything you quoted. Do you know if Visor is more serious or more jokey as mafia? It might help me figure out if the thanking posts without posting thing he did earlier was towny or not.

Visor and GH are mentioned here as targets for lynch or scrutiny. By current case, unsure if he means Renata on Arakhor or on Al Sipsclar.

But immediately after at any rate, he voted Arakhor.

I went back and reread your post, and yeah, that looks a lot worse than I thought the first time I read it. The later posts feel like they have more content in them, but it overall feels like scum trying to construct things to talk about, rather than making authentic cases. Arakhor

9. To Renata remarking that all her scum reads are voting each other:

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It's great, isn't it? Maybe you could even be wrong on some of them?

When Arakhor confronts him over this/DP's vote on him:

A possibility. I just don't have anything stronger. Who should I be on, if not you?

I could see that as spew town on Arakhor.

10. After that came his EOD stuff, which I won't cover except for his initial vote onto Al Sipsclar:

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Well, an afk lynch is better than a me lynch. Al Sips

[Jabbz]

Permission to edit your post to figure it out?

Granted

[Jabbz]

What I've done in the past is use an excel sheet, then put the post the vote was made along with the vote itself in a table. Then you can sort by the post number column from smallest to largest.

That is so much easier than what I was thinking of doing. Thank you Zack. This will deff happen for day 2, I might retro do it for day 1 will all edits. I will post if that is what I do.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Granted

Okay it's what I thought it was. You're using a 24-hour clock (20:00 PM) - you need to use a 12-hour clock (8:00 PM) for it to work.

[Jabbz]

Okay it's what I thought it was. You're using a 24-hour clock (20:00 PM) - you need to use a 12-hour clock (8:00 PM) for it to work.

Got it. TY.

[Choxorn]

Having not read anything prior to the flip, I'm just guessing, but he's probably a wolf who didn't want to vote another wolf. That might be wanting more than guessing though.

Yeah, that was what I was thinking, and he switched to Monty right before dp did, and his reasons for voting Monty were kind of odd, like he was trying as hard as he could to avoid voting dp without actually addressing the wagon on dp. He never actually mentioned dp once during the day, despite the fact that Al and DP were the two leading wagons at EoD.

It just sounds like what two scumbuddies would do if they were getting wagoned and wanted to try to shift the momentum onto someone else and hope they could get a townie lynched.

[GeneralHankerchief]

The one hole I can poke in the "Dp/Al Sipsclar both scum" theory is that Dp's exact role name is "corrupted mage", which appears to be your regular garden-variety mafioso as per the OP. If there are power levels amongst the scum team or something along those lines, it's unlikely that Dp would have pushed Al Sips as hard as he did if Al was more useful to the scum team ability-wise.

Of course, if this isn't the case, or if they were both regular corrupted mages, then the above paragraph obviously no longer applies.

[Montmorency]

I'm guessing, as per usual, that scum can enact both an individual ability and the team kill at the same time; given the role madness setup, it's all but certain.

There could be special abilities unique to the scum, but there are probably also some powers that overlap between scum and town. Alternatively, scum have single defined abilities as is more typical, but for "Corrupted Mages" at least the multiple one-shots mechanic likely applies.

What we probably have to look out for is:

1. Factional bonus kill.
2. Beefed up Mafia godfather/don/grandmaster, who will likely be able to at minimum counter most town night actions against him - maybe even against his team to some extent.
3. Maybe, if Zack is town and not lying, and Jabbz has offered at least one instance of a "lynchproof" ability to town, then I would venture the Mafia have a factional lynchproof shot, or the grandmaster has innate lynchproof one-shot or until some conditions are met.

Anyone who could take a look at the precursor game Jabbz hosted, shed some light on the above.

[Montmorency]

Hey, did Jabbz say there's no cult-like recruitment in this game?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think it's >rand that Dp, still being a relatively new player/mafioso, wouldn't interact with/comment on his scumbuddies as much as he would regular townies.

Per Monty's list (don't feel like going back over Dp's posts right now, maybe tomorrow), this gives a small boost to:
Renata
Winston
Zack
Lewwyn
Choxorn
GH

(though full disclosure, I think the question he asked me about Al Sips/atheotes is something that a mafioso is likely to ask his partner, it's super neutral but yet still appears to be solve-y - though obviously I'm not dissecting it further because I'm town)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hey, did Jabbz say there's no cult-like recruitment in this game?

Just "no bastard elements" - but I think that's stupid crap like jokers, etc. than cults. Can't rule it out.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Just "no bastard elements" - but I think that's stupid crap like jokers, etc. than cults. Can't rule it out.

edit to the above, that should read "that's *more stupid crap like jokers, etc"

[Renata]

Unadvertised cults are stupid crap, IMO.

[Visor]

Advertised Cults are still stupid crap, IMO.

[Al Sipsclar]

Actually, on second thought and a quick re-read, I find it kind of odd that Al stayed on Monty when he was obviously around at EoD and it was pretty clear that it was going to be either him or DP getting lynched. Why wouldn't he switch to dp for self-pres?

+Scum points to Al, unless he can adequately explain why he insisted on staying on Monty.

Did I ever switch for self-pres, in any game? Re-read again, I already explained: I didn't mind being lynched, seeing myself as a weak point for the town. I prefer to be mislynched earlier than in the endgame. I also didn't want to condemn DP, who I thought was more townie than me, to prolong my sufferings. Unless I can vote for someone I convinced is scum, I don't believe I should self-pres.

Besides, DP didn't hesitate to vote me, his supposed teammate, why would I have any reservations to vote him, especially if it could be easily explained by self-pres? Me, who easily bussed GH and Pizza when we were the scum together in the Confection game?

I wanted to test Pizza's D1 strategy of multiple length 2 wagons, and Monty was a suitable candidate with a single vote on him when I was writing my post.

[Al Sipsclar]

Yeah, that was what I was thinking, and he switched to Monty right before dp did, and his reasons for voting Monty were kind of odd, like he was trying as hard as he could to avoid voting dp without actually addressing the wagon on dp. He never actually mentioned dp once during the day, despite the fact that Al and DP were the two leading wagons at EoD.

Dp was flailing, and switched to Monty because Zack and I just voted Monty. I didn't care about any wagon longer than two, Dp's or my own wagons included.

[Montmorency]

My official leans list:

Monty ---- 100%
Al Sipsclar
Chox
Lewwyn
Arakhor

---- 75%

Snerk
Csargo
Sooh
Visor
Atheotes

---- 50~60%

BSmith
Renata
Zack
GH
Winston
---- 33%

[Jabbz]

Cults, Jokers, Millers and their ilk, Confused and or paranoid cop/fbi/seer/etc, are all bastard elements in my book. Further I will not tell you things that are false, as that is also a bastard move.

[Zack]

My official leans list:

Monty ---- 100%
Al Sipsclar
Chox
Lewwyn
Arakhor

---- 75%

Snerk
Csargo
Sooh
Visor
Atheotes

---- 50~60%

BSmith
Renata
Zack
GH
Winston
---- 33%

what a weird list