Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[Zack]

Haven't read anything yet, but feel this is important information -

I submitted a peek for Winston Hughes last night and discovered that he's not corrupted. Which I take to mean he's almost always a villager, barring some sort of shenanigans.

The way wagons went down and dp/al acted fairly obviously hinted at w/w, but I acted in a way I thought would ensure the highest likelihood of me surviving the night and getting a peek off without being interfered with. Didn't bother peeking Al because there was a super likely chance he was getting resolved anyways.

BSmith would have been a pretty sub-optimal kill choice for wolves. I know for a fact there are ways to interfere with the wolf kill, so it seems more likely that al/bsmith were both killed by villagers and the mafia didn't get a kill through. Either that or they just made a terrible kill.

[Renata]

Haven't read anything yet, but feel this is important information -

I submitted a peek for Winston Hughes last night and discovered that he's not corrupted. Which I take to mean he's almost always a villager, barring some sort of shenanigans.

The way wagons went down and dp/al acted fairly obviously hinted at w/w, but I acted in a way I thought would ensure the highest likelihood of me surviving the night and getting a peek off without being interfered with. Didn't bother peeking Al because there was a super likely chance he was getting resolved anyways.

BSmith would have been a pretty sub-optimal kill choice for wolves. I know for a fact there are ways to interfere with the wolf kill, so it seems more likely that al/bsmith were both killed by villagers and the mafia didn't get a kill through. Either that or they just made a terrible kill.

Two questions:

-- what hinted at w/w for you
-- why choose winston. I would have thought between his vote on Al Sips and that clearing interaction he had with Dp he would have been the type of player you leave for another day. Why not one of the off-wagon people?

[Zack]

Two questions:

-- what hinted at w/w for you
-- why choose winston. I would have thought between his vote on Al Sips and that clearing interaction he had with Dp he would have been the type of player you leave for another day. Why not one of the off-wagon people?

The way they both tried to jump on Monty at the end, DP in particular.

I didn't care about either of those things as far as clearing him and thought his behavior was fairly cringeworthy if a villager.

[Winston Hughes]

I submitted a peek for Winston Hughes last night and discovered that he's not corrupted. Which I take to mean he's almost always a villager, barring some sort of shenanigans.

What's the good in me spending all this effort looking scummy if you're going to go and reveal something like that?

[Montmorency]

I submitted a peek for Winston Hughes last night and discovered that he's not corrupted. Which I take to mean he's almost always a villager, barring some sort of shenanigans.

So isn't that effectively an alignment scan, something I believe Jabbz said wouldn't be included? Either way, if Winston is GodMaster that should confound any scan.

[Zack]

So isn't that effectively an alignment scan, something I believe Jabbz said wouldn't be included? Either way, if Winston is GodMaster that should confound any scan.

Where did he say that? Also seriously doubt any godfather mechanics based on:

Cults, Jokers, Millers and their ilk, Confused and or paranoid cop/fbi/seer/etc, are all bastard elements in my book. Further I will not tell you things that are false, as that is also a bastard move.

The only way it would be wrong is if someone redirected me, which is certainly a possibility.

[Snerk]

Can confirm a spell that appears to be an alignment scan.

[Zack]

Also, before I realized we could only cast one spell each night, my plan was to horde up all those cheap watcher spells and go crazy.

[Winston Hughes]

Also, before I realized we could only cast one spell each night, my plan was to horde up all those cheap watcher spells and go crazy.

I can cast more than one spell.

[Zack]

I can cast more than one spell.

[Montmorency]

I can cast more than one spell.

Did you?

[Arakhor]

I can cast more than one spell.

So can I, but only one a night. I am all but guaranteed to die or win (or both!) before I exhaust my spell selection.

[Zack]

My money's on sooh/atheotes. Visor >rand wolf if he has low wim.

[Arakhor]

Here's some of the interesting things today that related to Visorslash:

My money's on sooh/atheotes. Visor >rand wolf if he has low wim.

It's now comfortably morning in Australia, and in my experience Visor's WIM can drop pretty significantly as mafia if conditions aren't favorable.

As wolfy as it sounds I don't really have a bottom three. I found it kind of hard to pick a lot of people as particularly townie or wolfy D1 and I'd be throwing this list out anyway given w/w wagons.

Choxorn is still highly villagery for me, regardless. I still don't think Atheotes is as wolfy as people say, I don't understand why he is getting so much attention.

For a third, Csargo. Seems weird, but I liked his comments through the night phase.

Might be worth looking at the offwagon voters too, as it is a reasonable chance they are town simply because wolves don't want to be off w/w wagons due to image.

Also probably looks good for the early starters of both wagon, but I worth a look through the progression again.

Dp101 - 6 (Bsmith, Choxorn, Kcaz, Lewwyn, Montmorency, Renata)
Al Sipsclar - 5 (Arakhor, Dp101, GHC, Visor, Winston Hughes)
Montmorency - 2 (Atheotes, Al Sipsclar)
Arakhor - 1 (Csargo)
Kcaz - 1 (Sooh)
Renata -1 (Snerk)

That's where we stand. Bussing is more likely at the end of the wagon rather than the start for obvious reasons, though that vote count isn't written in order of vote, sadly.

Atheotes and Al voting together is (IMO) a good look for Atheotes, though I am fairly likely to be biased as I already think he's a villager.

Kinda yolo, but gonna consider the offwagoners off the table for today, so Atheotes, Csargo, Sooh and Snerk are all villagers for this chapter.

So:

BSmith

Visor, Choxorn, Atheotes, Csargo, Sooh, Snerk

Zack, Lewwyn, Monty, Renata, Arakhor, GH, Winston

Time to go digging.

[Arakhor]

Note Atheotes and Sooh both in his town list and Zack and GH in his scum list. If we subscribe to the godfather theory, it's interesting that both the suggested godfathers (Zack and GH) are in his scum list, whilst the people we suspect for being 'normal' scum are in his cleared list.

[Arakhor]

Day One
Dp101 - 6 (Bsmith, Choxorn, Kcaz, Lewwyn, Montmorency, Renata)
Al Sipsclar - 5 (Arakhor, Dp101, GHC, Visor, Winston Hughes)
Montmorency - 2 (Atheotes, Al Sipsclar)
Arakhor - 1 (Csargo)
Kcaz - 1 (Sooh)
Renata -1 (Snerk)

Dp bussing Al at this point was a matter of survival, and it seems that Visor was also bussing Al, presumably because he was the inactive one compared to Dp. This was D1, when everything was manic, right up until the deadline.

Day Two
Visor - 6 (Renata, Winston Hughes, GHC, Choxorn, Arakhor, Sooh)
Sooh - 5 (Atheotes, Snerk, Lewwyn, Montmorency, Kcaz)
Lewwyn - 1 (Visor)
Atheotes - 1 (Csargo)

D2 was much less hectic, with the deadline only really pulling in unplaced votes and Visor surprisingly failing to make a vote to defend himself. We still have yet to resolve the Sooh/Atheotes inconsistency, but it looks like that Visor was doomed either way, whether by Sooh bussing him to stay alive or by Atheotes voting for Sooh and causing her to vote Visor instead.

[Montmorency]

OK, very well. But why is Godfather bastard? Would make perfect sense in a game with investigations flowing like water, and in light of the flavor.

[Zack]

OK, very well. But why is Godfather bastard? Would make perfect sense in a game with investigations flowing like water, and in light of the flavor.

learn 2 read

"I will not tell you things that are false"

[Montmorency]

learn 2 read

"I will not tell you things that are false"

But that's no more false than being redirected. I don't share this interpretation.

[Montmorency]

Speaking of cheap spells, it is technically possible to kill someone without vigging or redirecting a kill: the Tier-1 mana drain spell.

If someone drains all your mana, you die. Max 5 mana drained, but if someone had low mana and used a high-tier skill on the same night as being drained it's possible.